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Hello all, this is just a general question about prop and wings.

 

Recently bought a set of two mismatching prop and wings on eBay for $3.50. I'm positive that one is USAAF but the second one has a pinback with straighter wings. I was wondering if this was pre-war?

 

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For $3.50 was it worth it? I don't want to wind up with some Army Aviation wings!

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Not sure I understand exactly... all wings with props would have been AAF, right?

 

$3.50 is a fine price.

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That second one looks like a toy or cereal prize, not a piece of insignia. To me, its apearance of cheapness and the way it is constructed argue against it having been worn by an Air Corps officer.

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That second one looks like a toy or cereal prize, not a piece of insignia. To me, its apearance of cheapness and the way it is constructed argue against it having been worn by an Air Corps officer.

That was my feeling as well. I have seen these type of things, (as well as the Navy and USCM insignia, etc) as cheap sweetheart jewelry or kiddie-stuff (think Crackerjacks prizes). Still, pretty neat item.

 

On the other wing, 3.50 isnt bad, but it would be better as a pair. The neat thing, is that I suspect the clutches for the insignia are sterling silver. Those alone are likely worth the price because they are frequently lost and then replaced by later and cheaper non-sterling clutches. I always look for the sterling silver ones to mate up with WWII insignia that have lost theirs.

 

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I agree that the second item is most likely a sweetheart piece. I can't see an AAF officer wearing that on a uniform. Here's a similar piece from the Navy during WW2. The pin is the same type of arrangement and this is definitely a sweetheart item.

 

 

Hi Bob,

 

Would these be US made? The way that the pin is attached where the hinge would normally be doesn't look like the way a US manufactured piece would be made...am I wrong? The up sweep on the one you showed in particular look French in design to my novice eye... :unsure:

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I would guess US made but I don't know for sure. They came from William L. "Country" Landreth who flew with VF-17 and VF-10 during the war. He was a Corsair pilot. He flew from Bougainville and then off of the Bunker Hill. I can't imagine how he could have picked up a French made insignia. In fact he told me once that in all his time in the Navy he never once crossed the Atlantic.

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Would these be US made? The way that the pin is attached where the hinge would normally be doesn't look like the way a US manufactured piece would be made...am I wrong?

When viewed from the back of a piece of jewelry, locking devices located on the right side of an item rather than on the left side was typical for women’s jewelry such as sweetheart wings :love: , rather than a man's military insignia badge. :dry:

 

If I remember correctly there was only one exception to that practice during WW2 which was with men's military insignia manufactured by Beverly Craft, a California firm that specialized in making women’s jewelry. All of the military wing badges produced by that company had the locking device attached to the right side rather than to the more traditional left side.

 

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Not sure I understand exactly... all wings with props would have been AAF, right?

 

$3.50 is a fine price.

No, not all winged props are AAF. During WWII, Civil Air Patrol used an all silver winged prop as a lower lapel insignia. The Air Force Academy used the same all silver insignia later on. When the Army's Aviation Branch was established back in the early 1980's, they adopted the winged prop, but changed the design of the wings to match that of their aeronautical badges. Several foreign countries have or still use a variation of the winged prop as an air force or other military aviation insignia.

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