m1a2u2 Posted November 15, 2020 Share #1 Posted November 15, 2020 Let me know if folks this is original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted November 15, 2020 Share #2 Posted November 15, 2020 I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure its a repro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1a2u2 Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share #3 Posted November 15, 2020 7 hours ago, Cap Camouflage Pattern I said: I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure its a repro. What tells you that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted November 15, 2020 Share #4 Posted November 15, 2020 The excellent condition already got me on edge, originals are quite rare and are usually in poor shape, and plenty of repros exist and sell for around $20. The Xuong IB stamp is another red flag. Most if not all original covers were unmarked, and on top of that the Xuong IB stamp is commonly found on fakes. I don't think anyone knows for sure what the Xuong IB stamp is, but common speculation is it was the a property mark applied to original uniforms by a Vietnamese movie studio in the 80s. Whatever it is fakers have long been applying it to their fakes and now it is far more likely to find a fake than an original with one. I also think most BDQ camo covers are "long flap" but I'm not confident on that. Hopefully someone who is lucky enough to have handled real BDQ uniforms can comment on the fabric and print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted November 15, 2020 Share #5 Posted November 15, 2020 These came out of a Hanoi movie / costume property room in the late 80's. Have never heard them called a fake before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted November 17, 2020 Share #6 Posted November 17, 2020 On 11/15/2020 at 5:58 PM, vintageproductions said: These came out of a Hanoi movie / costume property room in the late 80's. Have never heard them called a fake before. A batch of these NOS helmet covers? Or Xuong IB stamped items? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted November 17, 2020 Share #7 Posted November 17, 2020 Both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1a2u2 Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share #8 Posted November 17, 2020 My understanding was that Xuong IB means Factory IB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted November 17, 2020 Share #9 Posted November 17, 2020 Bob, Did the studio make their own covers or did they use original captured items and put their stamp on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted November 17, 2020 Share #10 Posted November 17, 2020 All the items in the costume house were captured original items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted November 17, 2020 Share #11 Posted November 17, 2020 That’s really awesome information thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1a2u2 Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted November 17, 2020 That's really interesting. Bob, do you have a source for that? One theory I have is that the North took the covers as captured materials and had one of their Communist named factories (Factory 1B) inspect and mark the covers. Some time after that they ended up with a movie company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted November 17, 2020 Share #13 Posted November 17, 2020 I am looking for all my photos showing the captured uniforms and gear, but all I can find is this one right now. These are all captured US & ARVN flak vests just sitting on shelves in Hanoi. Can't add to the Communists factory theory as these never showed up on the market until Vietnam started opening up a bit and a few enterprising individuals went into all the prop / costume houses they could find in the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1a2u2 Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share #14 Posted November 17, 2020 Fascinating stuff. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted November 17, 2020 Share #15 Posted November 17, 2020 Well I apologize for calling it fake. I havent been able to collect Vietnamese stuff and reading threads and looking at pictures can only go so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted November 18, 2020 Share #16 Posted November 18, 2020 I was talking to Kammo-man today telling him I was looking for the rest of the costume house photos, and he reminded me that I had loaned them to him. Hopefully he will post some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted November 19, 2020 Share #17 Posted November 19, 2020 I have the stack of very revealing photos Bob.I dug them out.The content is mind blowing.Owen Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted November 19, 2020 Share #18 Posted November 19, 2020 I have the stack of very revealing photos Bob.I dug them out.The content is mind blowing.Owen Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkCan't wait to see them, I will beg Sent from my moto g(7) play using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted November 22, 2020 Share #19 Posted November 22, 2020 BillI am not going to waste my time posting them in this thread.Owen Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted November 22, 2020 Share #20 Posted November 22, 2020 Beg, beg, beg, beg , beg , beg see I told ya I would. Sent from my moto g(7) play using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted November 29, 2020 Share #21 Posted November 29, 2020 Hanoi movie studio wardrobe... circa 1995. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1a2u2 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share #22 Posted November 29, 2020 That's nuts! Thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted November 29, 2020 Share #23 Posted November 29, 2020 Gil- Those were some of the ones I was looking for but couldn't find my set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted November 29, 2020 Share #24 Posted November 29, 2020 17 hours ago, vintageproductions said: Gil- Those were some of the ones I was looking for but couldn't find my set. I am just in awe and envy every time I look at these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted November 29, 2020 Share #25 Posted November 29, 2020 Wow .... Wow .... Wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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