Vark_07 Posted September 13, 2020 Share #1 Posted September 13, 2020 Here's the first of the helmets from my collection I'd like to introduce you - my favorite actually. This is a Strategic Air Command B-52 navigator's fully named set (helmet / mask / carry bag) who served in the 57th Air division : Captain HAWN. Helmet is a middle version smoothly-patined HGU-2A/P, with 2 magnificently preserved S.A.C. and 57th Air Division decals on the visor, and a large vertical 2" reflective tape band on the back (the label is destroyed, so no clue about the manufacturer or the year of production, but I found it has to be between 1966 and 1969). Size is Large, with H-154 AIC earphones and the mic plug in place. Two "CPT HAWN" nametapes are present : on the visor's edge, and on the back bottom. Mask is a Short-Narrow SIERRA MBU-5/P with straight bayonets, hose and mic, dated 1971-72-73. A square paper label shows 453 on the one side, and we've got another nametape "HAWN" on the other side. The carry bag was the grouping bonus which helped me identify the crewman's function in the aircraft, aka navigator, thanks to the faded -yet readable- beige fabric nametape label. No idea of which of B-52 type our Captain flew, there were D-F-G models on service at that time in the S.A.C. inventory. According to his gear datation (late 60's early 70's) right in the Vietnam time span and the history of 57th Air Division (engaged in air ops in Asia between 65 and 69), it seems plausible that this B-52 crewman served in a VN tour (even perhaps during Arc Light in 1969). Anyway, this is pure speculation 🙂 . Any comment / hypothesis / additional information is perfectly welcome ! Hope you enjoy the share . Regards, Vark_07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majormadmax Posted September 13, 2020 Share #2 Posted September 13, 2020 That is excellent! I am envious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1canpara Posted September 13, 2020 Share #3 Posted September 13, 2020 Very very cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulruss Posted September 13, 2020 Share #4 Posted September 13, 2020 Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted September 13, 2020 Share #5 Posted September 13, 2020 Very cool decals and identification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72psb Posted September 13, 2020 Share #6 Posted September 13, 2020 Great Cold War example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohawkALSE Posted September 13, 2020 Share #7 Posted September 13, 2020 Very nice set. Might be a post Nam used helmet. The 57th inactivated in July of 1969 and then was Reactivated January 75. The helmet might have been used prior to the 69 inact but those mask dates later you would imagine it it was still part of the 57th, it would be its 75 or on use. What are the 3 dates actually on the soft shell rubber part of the mask inside the "wagon wheel". Im curious to know how long those original in line straight bayonets were used in service before being replaced by straight T bayonets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark_07 Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share #8 Posted September 13, 2020 Thank you all for the kind comments .to mohawkALSE : Interesting analysis. From what I saw during my searches, T bayonets were introduced in the mid 60's, but many pictures show that in line bayonets were still in use by the mid 70's, so both types saw service simultaneously (and up to the 80's if we consider the case of Australian pilots using them on british P-masks with their HGU-26s). As I wrote on the mask description, the silicone is dated 1971-72-73. Considering this, the presence of in line bayonets on the mask's hard shell and the issue date of the helmet (66/ 69 - for it's a middle version with plastic visor housing and 4-lobe knob), my guess is that the helmet and the mask's hard shell were issued and used by this airman prior -or close- to the 57th inactivation (1969) with a former silicone (68-69-70 or so), the one I own with this set being his last to be worn. But like I said, his involvment in the VN conflict, if plausible, is only pure speculation (and doesn't mean much to me either). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfixer Posted September 14, 2020 Share #9 Posted September 14, 2020 Man I love it!!! What style earcups does the helmet have...spring loaded arms or not...and is there a date on the inside of the helmet bag...the earliest date for that style helmet bag, that I have seen, is 1969... Scenario #1 based on the parts alone.... I would venture to say he was issued the helmet and mask in the mid 60s and used the rig with another unit prior to the 57th reactivation in 75...based on the silicone mask dated 73, and a later style helmet bag then in 1975 joined the 57th, and had the mask repaired... why the old style straight bayonets and harness? as the saying goes if it isn't broke don't fix it.. OR scenario #2 When a flyer retires or separates from the military, they have a lot of mixed gear that they kept over the years...this could be the case of putting pieces together after his service...I have seen helmet groups with multiple visor covers that the flyer uesd throughout his career..often with different unit markings as he changed squadrons either way it is a great helmet from a BUFF navigator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark_07 Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted September 14, 2020 Thank your for this enlightening comment, Phantomfixer, much apprciated ! The plot thickens when it comes to the earcups ; it's the H-154 AIC headset allright with its light grey earcups and so, but NOT spring-mounted (glued on round foam pads)... and no date inside the carry bag. So I'm coming to think your first hypothesis is right : it could be an earlier type HGU-2A/P (first version - 61/66) which was rigged with middle-version improvements (plastic visor housing - that wears the decals / cross knob and H-154 earcups) - still, it doesn't interfere with youy second one though ! It's a shame the bottom label is destroyed, it could have been the key to this story (or more information about this airman's carreer) . But as you said : either way, it's a great set, and I'm really proud to own it. Thanks again for your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark_07 Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share #11 Posted September 29, 2020 Just a couple more pics I did not put in the main post . I'm sorry about their quality, just like the others they are intentionally downgraded in order to comply with the 150kb rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZPhil Posted September 29, 2020 Share #12 Posted September 29, 2020 Very cool helmet! A real plus with it coming with its carry bag. Congrats on that addition. Semper Fi Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-X Posted September 30, 2020 Share #13 Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/14/2020 at 10:24 AM, phantomfixer said: is there a date on the inside of the helmet bag...the earliest date for that style helmet bag, that I have seen, is 1969... I think the introduction of this type bag was FY69. I have a 1969 dated bag with poncho liner material inside. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohawkALSE Posted September 30, 2020 Share #14 Posted September 30, 2020 This isnt mine but just saw this recently on ebay that sold. Was an original 69 contract 1st generation SPH-4 and the bag with it is 68 contract. This is I believe the 2d or 3d 68 contract bag Ive seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-X Posted September 30, 2020 Share #15 Posted September 30, 2020 2 hours ago, mohawkALSE said: This isnt mine but just saw this recently on ebay that sold. Was an original 69 contract 1st generation SPH-4 and the bag with it is 68 contract. This is I believe the 2d or 3d 68 contract bag Ive seen. I stand corrected! FY 68 looks to be the first issue of this type of Flying Helmet Bag. Green lining too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark_07 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share #16 Posted September 30, 2020 Thank you folks, that's interesting to learn . Forgot to post the back taping at night, here you go : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark_07 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share #17 Posted October 6, 2020 On 9/14/2020 at 8:05 AM, Vark_07 said: [...] and no date inside the carry bag. I took the bag out of storage this evening to double-check, and so here comes the tag inside. As you cas see, it's quite different from the ones you've posted. No visible date like I previously wrote, but maybe the contract numbers will help identify its type ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark_07 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted October 6, 2020 The last series of numbers match exactly the ones from both tags you've shared, so I'm positive it's the same kind of carry bag. However, CON. NO. 7317 (contract number ?) is unique, so is the absence of the manufacturing company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark_07 Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share #19 Posted December 23, 2020 Found additional informations about the 57th Air Division this BUFF navigator belonged to. We already know that it was inactivated on Jul 1969 and reactivated on Jan 1975, but thanks to this webpage, I've discovered that 10 Bomb Wings were subordinated to the 57th throughout its history, and 7 within the time lapse of this B-52 helmet set. So, if our captain served in the 57th prior to 1969 (in that case we would only care about the shell, not the 73' mask he must have worn in a later assignment), the unit he belonged to was either the 17th, 19th, 68th, 416 or 465th Bomb Wing (and might have seen action in Southeast Asia, as I hypothesized earlier). Quote Between 1965 and 1969, division subordinate units supported Arc Light bombing and Young Tiger air refueling operations in Southeast Asia. To the contrary, if he joined the 57th after its reactivation in 1975 (the case in which the mask's dating matters), the Bomb Wing he served in was either the 5th or 319th. Both theories taken together, that makes only 7 potential S.A.C. Bomb Wing assignments amongst the 41 that used the mighty B-52. The scope of possibilities has narrowed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark_07 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share #20 Posted August 23, 2021 Tiny update of this thread. I found recently a couple of cloth patches matching the 2 decals of the visor housing, that I decided to frame and hang on the wall not far from the helmet. Don't know if they're genuine or not (I have doubts about the 57th's especially regarding the size and the fact it looks pretty new ; the SAC one, on the other hand, is worn and faded, and even sports remaining stitches on it), but they definitely look great anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohawkALSE Posted August 23, 2021 Share #21 Posted August 23, 2021 Nice, Ive always wanted to find a good 57th AD patch for my collection. Ive collected SAC patches from units that were located at Westover AFB, MA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alamo Posted September 11, 2021 Share #22 Posted September 11, 2021 Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark_07 Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share #23 Posted February 15, 2022 Greetings everyone. I felt like updating this thread with better pictures I took recently (those who follow FlightGearCollectors on FB may have already seen them). Anyway, here they come 😉. Interior of the helmet. Same rack / locker square paper label sticked inside. Note on the right close-up the fainted pencil handwriting next to the edge beading that actually reads "Hawn". Three venting holes, H-154/AIC headset earcups lacking the spring-loaded metal arms, these evidence added to a plastic visor housing confirm it is a middle-version (~66-69) HGU-2A/P. I also found interesting BUFF crews' pictures of this era that I thought relevant to share : Boyd GILBERT, B-52 navigator (70-73 period) and VN veteran of operation Linebacker II - (C) South Carolina ETV (his interview is available here) Note the helmet / mask configuration similar to my example's. A B-52 navigator sitting at his workstation, 1972 - (C) JP LAFFONT HGU-2A/P with plastic visor housing and straight bayonet receivers (too bad the mask isn't visible) Hope you enjoy this update 😀. Cheers ! - Gauthier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfixer Posted February 15, 2022 Share #24 Posted February 15, 2022 Still a great helmet...great pics too of the B-52 crews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfixer Posted February 16, 2022 Share #25 Posted February 16, 2022 On 9/29/2020 at 11:10 PM, mohawkALSE said: This isnt mine but just saw this recently on ebay that sold. Was an original 69 contract 1st generation SPH-4 and the bag with it is 68 contract. This is I believe the 2d or 3d 68 contract bag Ive seen. So just for reference a 69 dated helmet bag… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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