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Jungle Jacket 2nd pattern Identify? Vietnam Era


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Hi!


I'm, as i know the jungle fatigue have 3 different pattern.
This one happens to be 2nd pattern (not-exposed button, have epaulets & waist tab)

However, i have some issues :
1) Missing the big tags on the left side. (Can't search the contract number)
2) The epaulets looks quite odd. From what i search it should be have a "X" in the eupaulets stiching.

3) The waist tab replacement is wrong (reversed). 

(from internet i saw 2 pattern the button should be sewn into side seams)
in this one, the Tab sewn into side seams (please refer to pic) 
3) The size also weird, tagged medium-long but only 20.5" pit to pit and 27.5" long..

From what i saw is, the stitching is all original. 

 

Please anyone help me..

Is this jungle fatigue original issued? resized? or just plainly fake?
Here i attached photo for posibble evidence that this is original jungle fatigue (worn by Martha Raye)

 

 

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I believe its one of those transitional variations in between the 1st pattern and 2nd pattern jungle jackets or even from the 2nd pattern to 3rd pattern. 

 

The size tag and the FSN is correct and it shares some common features of the standard 2nd pattern coat.

 

Is that ghosting of officers rank and MOS on the collar?

 

'A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon'

 

Always looking for Vietnam War US Special Forces/MACV-SOG jungle shirts/uniforms and OG107 Shirts/uniforms.

 

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So i've decided to I take a gamble on this one... 
Sorry for the crappy pic above, it's from the seller.
Now please take a look at my photos..

My guess is it's an original heavy-customized jungle fatigue , but i dont know which type or DSA number.

From the sewing marks, i noticed that it still has a original stitching (double, in green thread) also a white stitch (added later on)
Note that marked size is Medium-Long but fits as Small-Reg.
What do you guys think?

  • Pocket has /\ shape stitching (pattern 2)
  • V-gussets on sleeves
  • Both check pockets has pen pockets
  • No drain holes & gas-flap
  • The eupaulets is sewn not in original thread.

And please someone explain to me whats happening on the patches, i have no idea 😕..

 

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It wasn’t unusual for some guys to add epaulettes to their 3rd pattern jackets. Steve from Radix Press told me he did that to all his jackets in country just because he thought it looked cool. 

I also know a guy who had a set of XL ERDLs tailored down to fit his medium frame. On this one, as many jungles as were available I would think it easy to get a size that fits you but who knows.

 

With the ROK jumps wings, no CIB/CMB and those tapes I get an early 70’s vibe. The Airborne tab is an early one. The name tape looks to have been replaced. I’m no expert and maybe it’s just the lighting but the jump wings and tape look a little more freshly sewn than the other side. But it does look like it’s been there a while.
 

I don't know what it is but I’m sure some members who know more than me will chime in. 
 

 

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The epaulettes have been added as the material is not an exact match.

 

No one seems to have mentioned that the material is poplin, rather than ripstop.

 

The name tape does look like it has been replaced.  Given the age of the jacket, that's not unusual.  It may simple of been a matter of going from white to subdued, or from printed to embroidered.

 

The impression from the name tape seems to match the current name.  Sometimes it is hard to tell because the ends of the tape have been folded inward.  On way to try to test for a match is hold it up to a mirror.  Or take a photo of the inside impression and reverse it.

 

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Omaha, NE
Specializing in Fakes and Reproductions
of the Vietnam War

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"One is easily fooled by that which one loves."

 

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Yep now with better pics, Gwb is right, the epaulettes have been added which as longhorn pointed out wasn't uncommon.

 

Looks like officer rank and MOS ghosting on the collar. The name Maggio doesn't come up as an officer, only NCOs in the whos who.

 

So its a 3rd pattern poplin shirt that been modified and tailored.  

 

 

 

'A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon'

 

Always looking for Vietnam War US Special Forces/MACV-SOG jungle shirts/uniforms and OG107 Shirts/uniforms.

 

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