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Fake Vietnam patch for unit that didn't exist until 2011..

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Buffalo Grunt

I sell embroidered patches on the side and most of all the designs I do, are my own creation.  Many times I see people who've stole my designs to make their own versions (in most cases, patches that I no longer make.) I also make designs for active battalions of the Regiment that I served under .. short bio .. I served in the Army for nine years, starting with four years in the US Army Infantry .. I was blessed to be part of one of the very first COHORT Battalions in the US Army (out of Fort Benning in 1984-1985.)  When we all graduated AIT, we all boarded commercial airlines and flew to Fort Ord, California, where we would establish the 4th Battalion, 17th Infantry Regiment .. under the newly designated 7th Infantry Division (Light) which was the very first Light Infantry Division in the US Army .. The Division and many Regiments were deactivated in 1993 after the Clinton Administration closed Fort Ord.  Fast forward to 2011 when the 4th Battalion was re-activated at Fort Bliss, TX under the 1st Armored Division.  I was then, and still am, a Officer in the National 17th Infantry Regimental Association and soon after the Battalion was reactivated, I came up with the following design, in which I made into Velcro backed patches for 4-17.




Last night while browsing Ebay, I see the following listing:



"BUFFALO STRONG - 1970 Patch - US ARMY ARMORED - 4th / 17th - Vietnam War - 8525" for $116.00







Can I report this as being a fraudulent patch? Not only did they steal my design, they clearly are trying to pass it on as a 50 plus year old patch (with the fraying, wear, etc) Not only is it fake, but for one, the 4th Battalion, 17th Infantry didn't exist until 1984, and moreover, wasn't a part of the 1st Armored Division until 2011.



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Salvage Sailor

Fraudulent, fake, bogus, from one of the 'usual suspects' 

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  • 4 weeks later...
On 8/28/2020 at 12:27 PM, unit91 said:

Why can't these fraudsters be stopped, arrested, sued, etc.??? 


Better to spend your time playing whack-a-mole.


How exactly do you sue a patch maker in Vietnam?  He/she probably has no idea what unit this if from or what time period it served.  Even if they do, they'd most likely deny it.


eBay makes it possible to import it from the source in Vietnam, or from the dozens of middlemen in Australia, China, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea or the Philippines.  There is no one you can take into a US court.


If you find a US based dealer selling these in any number, the best you can do is warn your fellow collectors.  Be careful though... some very honest and innocent dealers get stuck with these repros and believe they are selling the real thing.  A lot of WWII patch dealers just do not have the expertise for Vietnam era items.


I had a friend who made patches in the US for reunion groups, mostly Army Aviation units from the Vietnam War.  He noticed every time he created a design and added it to his website, within two to three weeks it was being copied in Vietnam and up for sale on eBay.  He even proved it by making a totally bogus design and waited to see what happened.  He could see the IP addresses that were accessing his webpage.  Within hours he was being looked at from Vietnam, and within days the bogus design was available for sale as a period original.

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38 minutes ago, Bluehawk said:


Have they nothing better to do?


It's a money making opportunity.  US Dollars are still strong in Vietnam.  Anything that you can sell directly to Americans is tempting.

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