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I thought I would post this up today and see what you guys think of this one. I purchased this many years ago at a estate sale. The stock is stamped RSG in the slingwell. As far as I can tell it has all the correct stamping' s along with the cartouche SG & cross cannon on the stock. Not sure about the sling, it has that been there done that look to it, no markings that I can make out. What you see in the photos is how I purchased the weapon.

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12 minutes ago, sundance said:

That's a beauty. All early features. Who made the barrel?

Saginaw General that's all I can read? The mag is also SG.

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2 hours ago, sundance said:

No date on the barrel - or are you saying it can't be read?

Saginaw General was hard to see but the date is even harder. I will try later if the Sun comes out.

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Got a break from the clouds. This is what is stamped on the barrel. No date though! Also a small P stamped on the underside of the barrel for proof mark.

 

Saginaw S.G. Div

General Motors

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Is this Saginaw, MICHIGAN?

General Motors did have a plant there up until not too long ago. I think it was an engine plant...

 

HONORING FAMILY LtCol Wm Russell (1679-1757) VA Mil; Pvt Zachariah McKay (1714-97) Frederick VA Mil; BrigGen Evan Shelby, Jr (1719-94) VA Mil; Pvt Vincent Hobbs (1722-1808) Wythe VA Mil; Pvt Hugh Alexander (1724-77); Lt John R. Litton (1726-1804); Bvt BrigGen/Col Wm W. Russell (1735-93) 5th VA Rgmt; Lt James Scott (1736-1817); Capt John Murray, Sr (1747-1833); Capt John Sehorn, Sr (1748-1831) VA Mil; Pvt Corbin Lane (1750-1816) Franklin/TN Mil; Cpl Jesse D. Reynolds (1750-1836) 5th VA Rgmt; Capt. Solomon C. Litton (1751-1844); 1Lt Christopher Casey (1754-1840) SC Mil; Pvt Mark Adams (1755-1828); Pvt Randolph White (1755-1831) Bailey's Co. VA Rgmt; Capt. John R. Russell (1758-1838); Pvt Joseph T. Cooley (1767-1826) Fort Hempstead Mil; Pvt Thomas Barron (1776-1863) 1812; Capt. John Baumgardner (1787-1853) VA Mil; Pvt Joel Estep (1828-1864) Co B 5th KY Inf CSA & US; Pvt George B. Bell (1833-1910) Co C 47th IL Inf US; Cpl Daniel H. Barron (1838-1910) Co B 19th TN Rgmt Inf CSA; Capt Richard K. Kaufman (1908-1946) 7th PRG/3rd AF CCU; T-5 Vernon L. Bell (1926-95) 1802nd Spec Rgmt; PO2 Murray J. Heichman (1932-2019) HQSB/MCRD; PFC Jess Long (1934-2017) US Army; PFC Donald W. Johnson (1931-) 43rd ID HQ; A1C Keith W. Bell (1931-2011) 314th TCW; A3C Michael S. Bell (1946-) 3346th CMS; A1C Sam W. Lee (1954-2017) 2d BW; AW3 Keith J. Price (1975-) VP-10; 1Lt Matthew Wm Bell (1985-) 82nd Abn/SOC








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1 hour ago, Bluehawk said:

Is this Saginaw, MICHIGAN?

General Motors did have a plant there up until not too long ago. I think it was an engine plant...

 

Yes, I believe so. Here some interesting info on the Saginaw plants. M1 Carbine Production To accommodate the numbers required, Saginaw Steering took over Irwin-Pedersen in Grand Rapids, Michigan and began retooling the furniture factory to produce only M1 carbines also.

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12 hours ago, ccyooper said:

Saginaw did not date their SG barrels. Looks great but the stock looks like I can see a ghost line from a type II or latter band. Nice carbine! 

I have had this Mi for few years and have not changed any parts on this at all,  I  know you are not insinuating that, but I do not  see any ghost marks from a later barrel band outside in the Sun at all? But my eyes are not as sharp as they were once. LOL

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The "SG" in the barrel markings stands for "Steering Gear" , but the Saginaw Steering Gear Division of GM had plants in both Grand Rapids and Saginaw, Michigan. In April 1943, Saginaw took over production of carbines from Irwin-Pedersen.

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5 minutes ago, silverplate said:

The "SG" in the barrel markings stands for "Steering Gear" , but the Saginaw Steering Gear Division of GM had plants in both Grand Rapids and Saginaw, Michigan. In April 1943, Saginaw took over production of carbines from Irwin-Pedersen.

Thanks for the info. Interesting on how the Plants during the beginning off WWII could change gears so fast and re-tool and produced weapons. tanks. planes and whatever elso was needed for the War effort. 

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It’s got the same stock markings. The guy in the factory had some red substance that was wiped down the stock? Appears to have been placed on the front sight pin. Always wondered what it was. 

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Wow,  where did you happen to find this one? I would like to see the stamping on the barrel and receiver. It's fine with me to post up pictures of your Erwin Pedersen.

How many parts are stamped with a IP? Who made the barrel on yours. You do know that this is a rare puppy, little over 3000 were made? I don't believe any reached the military.

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Thank for that info on Saginaw, MI !

I worked there for 3 years, curator at their art museum. The GM plant closed during the time I was there...

HONORING FAMILY LtCol Wm Russell (1679-1757) VA Mil; Pvt Zachariah McKay (1714-97) Frederick VA Mil; BrigGen Evan Shelby, Jr (1719-94) VA Mil; Pvt Vincent Hobbs (1722-1808) Wythe VA Mil; Pvt Hugh Alexander (1724-77); Lt John R. Litton (1726-1804); Bvt BrigGen/Col Wm W. Russell (1735-93) 5th VA Rgmt; Lt James Scott (1736-1817); Capt John Murray, Sr (1747-1833); Capt John Sehorn, Sr (1748-1831) VA Mil; Pvt Corbin Lane (1750-1816) Franklin/TN Mil; Cpl Jesse D. Reynolds (1750-1836) 5th VA Rgmt; Capt. Solomon C. Litton (1751-1844); 1Lt Christopher Casey (1754-1840) SC Mil; Pvt Mark Adams (1755-1828); Pvt Randolph White (1755-1831) Bailey's Co. VA Rgmt; Capt. John R. Russell (1758-1838); Pvt Joseph T. Cooley (1767-1826) Fort Hempstead Mil; Pvt Thomas Barron (1776-1863) 1812; Capt. John Baumgardner (1787-1853) VA Mil; Pvt Joel Estep (1828-1864) Co B 5th KY Inf CSA & US; Pvt George B. Bell (1833-1910) Co C 47th IL Inf US; Cpl Daniel H. Barron (1838-1910) Co B 19th TN Rgmt Inf CSA; Capt Richard K. Kaufman (1908-1946) 7th PRG/3rd AF CCU; T-5 Vernon L. Bell (1926-95) 1802nd Spec Rgmt; PO2 Murray J. Heichman (1932-2019) HQSB/MCRD; PFC Jess Long (1934-2017) US Army; PFC Donald W. Johnson (1931-) 43rd ID HQ; A1C Keith W. Bell (1931-2011) 314th TCW; A3C Michael S. Bell (1946-) 3346th CMS; A1C Sam W. Lee (1954-2017) 2d BW; AW3 Keith J. Price (1975-) VP-10; 1Lt Matthew Wm Bell (1985-) 82nd Abn/SOC








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Paid bank at auction. The red stuff baffles the snot out of me. It’s like they used it to slide on the front sight. Then the guy took a rag and wiped it in the pin and down the right side of the stock. 49AC6CA8-BE81-4464-AF74-011A29F52C40.jpeg.2424272d1d61a709f58b7cd848337e57.jpeg

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Great rifles all!  Thanks for posting.  All you guys with these great unissued and correct rifles need to get busy and let us take a look.

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