spagg Posted August 23, 2020 Share #1 Posted August 23, 2020 I thought I would post this up today and see what you guys think of this one. I purchased this many years ago at a estate sale. The stock is stamped RSG in the slingwell. As far as I can tell it has all the correct stamping' s along with the cartouche SG & cross cannon on the stock. Not sure about the sling, it has that been there done that look to it, no markings that I can make out. What you see in the photos is how I purchased the weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald Posted August 23, 2020 Share #2 Posted August 23, 2020 Excellent! Love the early sling and carbine features. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundance Posted August 23, 2020 Share #3 Posted August 23, 2020 That's a beauty. All early features. Who made the barrel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagg Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted August 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, sundance said: That's a beauty. All early features. Who made the barrel? Saginaw General that's all I can read? The mag is also SG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundance Posted August 23, 2020 Share #5 Posted August 23, 2020 No date on the barrel - or are you saying it can't be read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagg Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share #6 Posted August 23, 2020 2 hours ago, sundance said: No date on the barrel - or are you saying it can't be read? Saginaw General was hard to see but the date is even harder. I will try later if the Sun comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagg Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted August 23, 2020 Got a break from the clouds. This is what is stamped on the barrel. No date though! Also a small P stamped on the underside of the barrel for proof mark. Saginaw S.G. Div General Motors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccyooper Posted August 25, 2020 Share #8 Posted August 25, 2020 Saginaw did not date their SG barrels. Looks great but the stock looks like I can see a ghost line from a type II or latter band. Nice carbine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluehawk Posted August 25, 2020 Share #9 Posted August 25, 2020 Is this Saginaw, MICHIGAN? General Motors did have a plant there up until not too long ago. I think it was an engine plant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagg Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted August 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Bluehawk said: Is this Saginaw, MICHIGAN? General Motors did have a plant there up until not too long ago. I think it was an engine plant... Yes, I believe so. Here some interesting info on the Saginaw plants. M1 Carbine Production To accommodate the numbers required, Saginaw Steering took over Irwin-Pedersen in Grand Rapids, Michigan and began retooling the furniture factory to produce only M1 carbines also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagg Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share #11 Posted August 25, 2020 12 hours ago, ccyooper said: Saginaw did not date their SG barrels. Looks great but the stock looks like I can see a ghost line from a type II or latter band. Nice carbine! I have had this Mi for few years and have not changed any parts on this at all, I know you are not insinuating that, but I do not see any ghost marks from a later barrel band outside in the Sun at all? But my eyes are not as sharp as they were once. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverplate Posted August 25, 2020 Share #12 Posted August 25, 2020 The "SG" in the barrel markings stands for "Steering Gear" , but the Saginaw Steering Gear Division of GM had plants in both Grand Rapids and Saginaw, Michigan. In April 1943, Saginaw took over production of carbines from Irwin-Pedersen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagg Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share #13 Posted August 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, silverplate said: The "SG" in the barrel markings stands for "Steering Gear" , but the Saginaw Steering Gear Division of GM had plants in both Grand Rapids and Saginaw, Michigan. In April 1943, Saginaw took over production of carbines from Irwin-Pedersen. Thanks for the info. Interesting on how the Plants during the beginning off WWII could change gears so fast and re-tool and produced weapons. tanks. planes and whatever elso was needed for the War effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBomb Posted August 25, 2020 Share #14 Posted August 25, 2020 Very nice SG! I have this old Irwin Pedersen thingy. It’s unissued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBomb Posted August 25, 2020 Share #15 Posted August 25, 2020 It’s got the same stock markings. The guy in the factory had some red substance that was wiped down the stock? Appears to have been placed on the front sight pin. Always wondered what it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagg Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share #16 Posted August 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, DaBomb said: Very nice SG! I have this old Irwin Pedersen thingy. It’s unissued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagg Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share #17 Posted August 25, 2020 22 minutes ago, DaBomb said: Very nice SG! I have this old Irwin Pedersen thingy. It’s unissued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagg Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted August 25, 2020 Wow, where did you happen to find this one? I would like to see the stamping on the barrel and receiver. It's fine with me to post up pictures of your Erwin Pedersen. How many parts are stamped with a IP? Who made the barrel on yours. You do know that this is a rare puppy, little over 3000 were made? I don't believe any reached the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluehawk Posted August 25, 2020 Share #19 Posted August 25, 2020 Thank for that info on Saginaw, MI ! I worked there for 3 years, curator at their art museum. The GM plant closed during the time I was there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd62 Posted August 25, 2020 Share #20 Posted August 25, 2020 Wow, super nice! thanks for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald Posted August 25, 2020 Share #21 Posted August 25, 2020 Standard Products'''''''''''''' Hope I didn't intrude:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBomb Posted August 25, 2020 Share #22 Posted August 25, 2020 Paid bank at auction. The red stuff baffles the snot out of me. It’s like they used it to slide on the front sight. Then the guy took a rag and wiped it in the pin and down the right side of the stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBomb Posted August 25, 2020 Share #23 Posted August 25, 2020 The trigger is the only non IP part. Original factory sawdust included on the recoil lug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBomb Posted August 25, 2020 Share #24 Posted August 25, 2020 Now back to your regularly scheduled 1943 Saginaw carbine. Thanks for posting. I love seeing original unmessed with flip sight carbines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanJ Posted August 25, 2020 Share #25 Posted August 25, 2020 Great rifles all! Thanks for posting. All you guys with these great unissued and correct rifles need to get busy and let us take a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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