CWG Posted August 5, 2020 Share #1 Posted August 5, 2020 Hello all, I was just looking at the last Bay State Military update and I wish I would have seen the update sooner. They had a Medic fixed bail helmet for sale with a $239 price tag. Thing looks really good and very much has that "been there" look. I really hope a member from the forum purchased this lid as I believe it could have some research potential. Bay State also added that the lid had been in storage for 25 years. https://www.baystatemilitaria.com/WWII/WWIIHeadgear.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd62 Posted August 5, 2020 Share #2 Posted August 5, 2020 I was wondering about that one too! I check that site often and as soon as I saw it, it had already sold darn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWG Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share #3 Posted August 5, 2020 Agreed! It’s very neat. I hope some more information comes out about the lid from a forum member. The Rocky inscription on the back is super cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1canpara Posted August 5, 2020 Share #4 Posted August 5, 2020 😲😲😳😳😫😫 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lsparks Posted August 5, 2020 Share #5 Posted August 5, 2020 $239 doesn’t sound like highway robbery?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntssurplus Posted August 5, 2020 Share #6 Posted August 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, Lsparks said: $239 doesn’t sound like highway robbery? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk $239 is a very, very good price. I would say the OP meant that it was highway robbery for whoever bought it because of the price. Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lsparks Posted August 5, 2020 Share #7 Posted August 5, 2020 $239 is a very, very good price. I would say the OP meant that it was highway robbery for whoever bought it because of the price. HuntFair point. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jguy1986 Posted August 5, 2020 Share #8 Posted August 5, 2020 I remember there being a fourth digit after the 239 that seems to have been accidentally deleted whenever they updated it to say “sold”... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted August 5, 2020 Share #9 Posted August 5, 2020 It was over 2000 USD not 200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted August 5, 2020 Share #10 Posted August 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, ArchangelDM said: It was over 2000 USD not 200 That makes more sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted August 5, 2020 Share #11 Posted August 5, 2020 A nice and original medic helmet ! Some got a great lid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd62 Posted August 5, 2020 Share #12 Posted August 5, 2020 7 hours ago, ArchangelDM said: It was over 2000 USD not 200 Ah, thanks Dean! So over $2,000 makes me feel a lot better about not seeing that baby on time and buying it. Great helmet!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1canpara Posted August 5, 2020 Share #13 Posted August 5, 2020 9 hours ago, jguy1986 said: I remember there being a fourth digit after the 239 that seems to have been accidentally deleted whenever they updated it to say “sold”... yes, I recall that being the case also now that you mention it....I remember glancing at the price and moving on 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted August 5, 2020 Share #14 Posted August 5, 2020 2 hours ago, jmd62 said: Ah, thanks Dean! So over $2,000 makes me feel a lot better about not seeing that baby on time and buying it. Great helmet!!! yeah I saw it when it was listed - killer lid congrats to the new caretaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWG Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share #15 Posted August 5, 2020 4 hours ago, jmd62 said: Ah, thanks Dean! So over $2,000 makes me feel a lot better about not seeing that baby on time and buying it. Great helmet!!! Well we now know what happened, I do feel better about this as up until Dean pointed out I really thought this set sold for $239! Unless the new caretaker post info on the lid I plan on deleting this by tomorrow as this post shows no use now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWG Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share #16 Posted August 5, 2020 11 hours ago, ArchangelDM said: A nice and original medic helmet ! Some got a great lid "Getting stronger, getting strongerrrr, getting strongerrr" Perhaps Rocky went 5 rounds with a nazi or japanese solider while wearing this lid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted August 5, 2020 Share #17 Posted August 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, WW1 said: "Getting stronger, getting strongerrrr, getting strongerrr" Perhaps Rocky went 5 rounds with a nazi or japanese solider while wearing this lid. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWG Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted August 5, 2020 1 minute ago, ArchangelDM said: 😂 Last one I promise its just too funny "ADRIANNNN' "Rock, get your rump down your going to get shot" "ADRIANN I WONN" "Rock, your wife is 7,000 miles away back home" "YOU CAN CHANGE, SEE ANYBODY CAN CHANGE" "Alright fellas, send him back to camp he needs some provisions" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rooster Posted August 5, 2020 Share #19 Posted August 5, 2020 Questions... Why is what appears to be the original red cross on the back so faded and different from the bright glossy red cross on the front ? What explains that? Where is the crazing in the paint on the cross? Looks fresh as a daisy. Why the difference between front and back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWG Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share #20 Posted August 5, 2020 Questions... Why is what appears to be the original red cross on the back so faded and different from the bright glossy red cross on the front ? What explains that? Where is the crazing in the paint on the cross? Looks fresh as a daisy. Why the difference between front and back? Good questions Rooster. All I know is that Bay State says the lid has been sitting in a box for 25 years. They got this and the nicest Hawley I have ever seen, from some guy. I personally cannot answer your question as I know very little about paint on helmets and the methods used to do such. I can guarantee many people on the forum know and will answer your question. This thread could be a good learning opportunity on painting helmets. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted August 5, 2020 Share #21 Posted August 5, 2020 45 minutes ago, The Rooster said: Questions... Why is what appears to be the original red cross on the back so faded and different from the bright glossy red cross on the front ? What explains that? Where is the crazing in the paint on the cross? Looks fresh as a daisy. Why the difference between front and back? Hi Dave what I believe you are seeing is a later red cross on the front. the Roundel for me looks correct with the white going cream, correct for white painted helmets that have seen outside use. the crosses on the side have been done with medical tape and then painted larger in red. My guess is that under that roundel you would find a sloppy medics marking which was painted earlier. looks to me like the medic at some point of his war career put small medics crosses due to no one caring for the Geneva code, later on when back at the rear of the company or aboard a ship etc he took time and got the main medics cross painted. This is all conjecture my end but by looking at the painted insignias it tells a story with regards to the size of the crosses and the sloppy red ones. With regards to the shine on the front Roundel, it could be lighting, could be varnished, unless a forum member had it you will never know. I like the medic insignia because there are no BS scratches running through them, no screwdriver marks and fake chipping. When it was painted on the front who knows, maybe he had a long service career and the vet repainted it later on, who knows. All I know is I do like the way it sits hope that’s helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWG Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share #22 Posted August 5, 2020 Hi Dave what I believe you are seeing is a later red cross on the front. the Roundel for me looks correct with the white going cream, correct for white painted helmets that have seen outside use. the crosses on the side have been done with medical tape and then painted larger in red. My guess is that under that roundel you would find a sloppy medics marking which was painted earlier. looks to me like the medic at some point of his war career put small medics crosses due to no one caring for the Geneva code, later on when back at the rear of the company or aboard a ship etc he took time and got the main medics cross painted. This is all conjecture my end but by looking at the painted insignias it tells a story with regards to the size of the crosses and the sloppy red ones. With regards to the shine on the front Roundel, it could be lighting, could be varnished, unless a forum member had it you will never know. I like the medic insignia because there are no BS scratches running through them, no screwdriver marks and fake chipping. When it was painted on the front who knows, maybe he had a long service career and the vet repainted it later on, who knows. All I know is I do like the way it sits hope that’s helps Agreed, especially in the pacific the Japanese did not care about the Geneva code. They would purposely shoot medics that had any sort of medical identification on them. Whether that be the arm band, helmet, or chest. They were very cruel. Most medics ditched all of that for a small marking like Archangel pointed out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted August 5, 2020 Share #23 Posted August 5, 2020 32 minutes ago, ArchangelDM said: My guess is that under that roundel you would find a sloppy medics marking which was painted earlier. Maybe it's my eyes but to me it looks like there is an older cross on top of the roundel but under the newer cross. Looking at the bottom and right portions of the cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted August 5, 2020 Share #24 Posted August 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Nickman983 said: Maybe it's my eyes but to me it looks like there is an older cross on top of the roundel but under the newer cross. Looking at the bottom and right portions of the cross. indeed an older Red Cross underneath which matches the other crosses in color 😏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted August 5, 2020 Share #25 Posted August 5, 2020 Here, here and here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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