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Hello guys,

 

A friend of mine is being offered a 509th PIR helmet. He says no doubt about the provenance but collecting items like this you always have to be careful buying items like this especially painted helmets. I dont like it but he likes the helmet and would like to know what you guys think about the helmet.

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I dont have better pictures but my concerns are i think its weird 80% of the helmet paint is gone and the isignias are still im great shape and the paint around them the rest looks like its almost gone and the paint gives me a korean war vibe.

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if that is a good pot, why does it shine?? coated with something??

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I really have no idea why its shining probably coated it with something this is what my friend told me about it but I dont buy the story nor trust the provenance ive been fooled in my beginning years of collecting as well with helmets which caused me to be very careful: 

 

I'm being offered to buy this helmet. No doubt about the provenance: Sadzot, tomb of the 509th PIR during the Battle of the Bulge... White non-commissioned officer's bar, half moon attachments and the small red "gingerbread man" indicating an early version (probably jumped in Italy and the south of France. The seller has pictures of this helmet in the state it came out of the farm ( with rust...), it has been well cleaned but the misfortune is that it has been varnished to a shine... What do you think a helmet like this can cost?????

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That helmet looks terrible - no wear to any of the red yet all paint gone from the rim. 
The D bales look to think and it’s had some sort of shellac applied 

 

IMHO it’s horrible looking - run for the hills

 

if this was real price wise 10-15 K easy 

"Rise and rise again until lambs become lions."

 

Always looking for ww2 USMC items, helmets and any camo'd items

 

 

"thinking outside of the box"

 

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It wasnt about pictures he said a friend of him told he got it from an older man and that it was found in a house so he thought it would be alright but i told him dont buy the story because ive seen more fake helmets that have a 'provenance' story attached to them.

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In the first, second and third pictures it appears that the weld marks where the bales are attached show from the outside.   Seems to suggest welding after painting?  No?  Field repair or fake?

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Good pictures of the important parts are needed.

 

Maybe this was found the way the claim is made in a farm or house or farmers house.

 

Maybe it was sold to a fairly savvy collector who cleaned it up and then covered it with shellac since back in the day anything is possible.

 

But the law of averages are not in your favor and the horrible pictures only back up that something is being hidden. 
 

Like the pictures of what the helmet looked like when it was found, how are the bails attached and what does the Gingerbread man really look like?

 

Right now I’m not to sure about this.

 

How much is it?


 

 

 

 

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Agreed that the bales look too thick and also I personally believe that they would be more rusty if the helmet is in this state of preservation.

Weld points, not a bit issue as many helmets show the ( normally ) three weld spots, even on pristine helmets.

Pictures of the feet should prove either original or fake.

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Bales are supposed to be steel, not stainless steel. That is the first dead give away of the helmet not being original. 

 

 

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Bales look added on to me. Add to that the "cleaning" and "clear coat" and you have too many oppotunities for the originality to be either obscured or falsely implied.

I'd run like the wind but I'm the big doubter around here.

Also, to me, "found in a house", or "barn", or whatever is no type of provenance at all. Not at all. Most every helmet is found indoors somewhere. Reminds me of car ads "used to run". Wow! Did it really?

So what ever happened to it?

 

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