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This one popped up today. I am not a fan at all of the paint and don’t personally believe it to be period. A lot of interest. Buyer beware. Mods feel free to post the listing, I just don’t know how. 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWI-USMC-Marine-Helmet-5th-Marines-w-EGA/264806533677?hash=item3da7b30a2d:g:L88AAOSwF0BfGvD9

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I am eagerly collecting Pre-WWII USMC material. Any Marine Corps Span Am era, WWI, Banana Wars, or China Marine related material is especially sought after.

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It looked to me like an EGA put on a 2nd Division helmet, just not a Marine Helmet. I don't know about other markings, but this looks like a purposefully done rectangle, not a poorly done square to me. I could be wrong but I believe that's some army unit within the 2nd division. I don't think the EGA belongs though, so I agree, buyer beware. 

 

I know the seller to be reputable based on interactions I've had with him, so I think this to be a mistake on his part.  

 

Patrick

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Cornelius Doherty - 108th Field Artillery, Pennsylvania NG, WWI Joseph A. Doherty - 7th Infantry Regiment, 3rd ID. KIA March 3, 1944.
Harry Riley - 62nd Armored Field Artillery Bn, Died August 13, 1944. Robert Lester Mahler - I/3/24, 4th Marine Div. WIA March 8, 1945.
Thomas R. Riley - USAAF Joshua L. Doherty - With a Seabee Unit, I believe.
Ens. Alex A. Gorski, USNR - Died as a POW, January 28, 1945. Capt. Henry Gorski, USN (ret.)
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Patrick, I checked his other items and they seem legit. I believe this paint job was part of a plethora of fakes that came out around 15-20 years ago. I started my WWI usmc collecting unfortunately buying two of those from a prominent dealer in Montana who was peddling some of these fakes at that time. The design/artwork here on this one is typical once again of those, and I believe done by that same artist-they were all very cartoonish in appearance, using find black lines for the details in the Indian heads and flesh colored faces, rounded ends to the feathers, etc. I suspect this dealer picked this one up thinking it real but not to my eye. Wouldn’t be the first time one of these were bought as original (once again I was guilty before I started studying these in depth). There were a lot of fake painted gas mask bags that came out at the same time. Kevin

I am eagerly collecting Pre-WWII USMC material. Any Marine Corps Span Am era, WWI, Banana Wars, or China Marine related material is especially sought after.

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Good to know! I had no idea about that.

 

Looking again, the lower points of the stars are within the painted shape, so I suppose it's not the shape I was thinking of. But the black paint goes up past the EGA, almost in a rounded arch shape, it seems to me. It could be the photo quality or something, but that was the red flag for my inexperienced eyes. 

 

I'm glad to know those other details, thank you for sharing!

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Always looking for items from these men (family members):
Even if not to buy, to know where they are would be great.
Cornelius Doherty - 108th Field Artillery, Pennsylvania NG, WWI Joseph A. Doherty - 7th Infantry Regiment, 3rd ID. KIA March 3, 1944.
Harry Riley - 62nd Armored Field Artillery Bn, Died August 13, 1944. Robert Lester Mahler - I/3/24, 4th Marine Div. WIA March 8, 1945.
Thomas R. Riley - USAAF Joshua L. Doherty - With a Seabee Unit, I believe.
Ens. Alex A. Gorski, USNR - Died as a POW, January 28, 1945. Capt. Henry Gorski, USN (ret.)
Remembering their service and sacrifice.

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I think that background shape was used by the 17th FA, an Army unit in the 2nd Division.

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Al

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The faker(s) referred to from twenty years ago or so were also faking other 2nd division helmets at that time. I had a bad red circle 23rd helmet with an most identical Indian head on it as well. This could  be a faked 17th FA helmet here that the seller has mistaken as a 5th Marine square. Either way that artwork is still not right. 

I am eagerly collecting Pre-WWII USMC material. Any Marine Corps Span Am era, WWI, Banana Wars, or China Marine related material is especially sought after.

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14 hours ago, warguy said:

Patrick, I checked his other items and they seem legit. I believe this paint job was part of a plethora of fakes that came out around 15-20 years ago. I started my WWI usmc collecting unfortunately buying two of those from a prominent dealer in Montana who was peddling some of these fakes at that time. The design/artwork here on this one is typical once again of those, and I believe done by that same artist-they were all very cartoonish in appearance, using find black lines for the details in the Indian heads and flesh colored faces, rounded ends to the feathers, etc. I suspect this dealer picked this one up thinking it real but not to my eye. Wouldn’t be the first time one of these were bought as original (once again I was guilty before I started studying these in depth). There were a lot of fake painted gas mask bags that came out at the same time. Kevin

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Sure a gentleman named Hayes in Missoula

I am eagerly collecting Pre-WWII USMC material. Any Marine Corps Span Am era, WWI, Banana Wars, or China Marine related material is especially sought after.

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I will let others weigh in, my familiarity is primarily with the art and design of WWI Marine helmets. Kevin

I am eagerly collecting Pre-WWII USMC material. Any Marine Corps Span Am era, WWI, Banana Wars, or China Marine related material is especially sought after.

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