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Model 1850 foot officer's sword pawn shop find.


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I am not too familiar with M1850 pattern swords specifically but many patterns of American swords were foreign made and imported over the years commonly from the cutlers of Germany, England and France.  More recently dress swords have been made in Spain.  Often these foreign made blades or complete swords will be marked with the American vendor other times they are marked with the foreign maker. 

I think for $60 you did good.

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Alright, I guess that this is an original piece then. I'm curious as to how many years the m1850 model was imported? Is it possible for these swords to be post civil war era? I wonder how long it took for these swords to fall out of us service. However, I didn't notice any import or Maker's marks on this particular sword.

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I believe  the words "Iron Proof" were used primarily, if not exclusively, by German Makers. I would have been happy as a clam to pick that up for $60.

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Yeah, I suppose I got really lucky, because the seller told me they thought it was an "older reproduction". They probably didn't start reproducing civil war memrobelia until at most 30 or 40 years ago, and it definitely looks and feels a lot older than that, so I guess it must be original then. If so, it is a great piece of history and I will probably keep it as a conversation piece rather than try to sell it for more than I paid. I appreciate everyone's help in identifying it. 

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You paid $60? Wow, great deal. And with a scabbard too! It looks just like mine except mine is French manufacture. The U.S. design was actually copied from a French sword. 

 

I've read that they were regulation until 1872, but don't sweat to that. 

 

Congrats on a great pick up!

 

Mikie

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That blade etching and Iron Proof mark are pure period, and the Iron Proof mark would show importation from Germany.  US-made swords didn't have it, and almost all imports of the period came from Germany.

 

If I remember Thillmann correctly, the M1850 remained in service until the uniform shakeup in 1872.

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Boy, with a scabbard you'd usually see a several hundred dollar price tag on that one in my neighborhood. Is the scabbard pretty much intact? Are there any nicks on the blade?

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From what I can tell, there aren't any US marks, or import or makers marks anywhere on it, I only noticed the Latin on the blade next to the eagle, and the "iron proof" mark on the backstrap. There are very little Nicks in the blade but there is quite a lot of surface rust. I wish there was some way to link this to a specific officer or something, or if it was used in the civil war, what side it was used on.

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Oh, and the Scabbard is leather with brass fittings. I did however notice the there is a dent in the brass at the bottom of the Scabbard, Maybe this is a hint that at least the Scabbard was used at some point.

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It is definitely an American sword, probably CW Union.  Neither CSA  nor any other entity  use the "e pluribus unum" motto.  It is extremely unusual not to have the "U.S." on these other side of the blade, although it was sometimes replaced with "U.S.M.C." on later sword used by Marine NCOs.   

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Hi everyone, thanks to the help of user R. Johnston, I was able to find out the manufacturer of my sword. Here are some updated photos of the "T" Maker's Mark I was able to find by removing some rust on the blade.15963990180521790372221.jpg.9558ab7ab3964c84b6f513bc8ed67f2a.jpg15964103577231258083204.jpg.77a293f907b6bfd5d748459fd0ddc0c6.jpg15965897373511970061870.jpg.a4cb405715b9321fd81a92c49905a180.jpg

 

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On 7/24/2020 at 3:02 PM, Ben G. said:

Oh, and the Scabbard is leather with brass fittings. I did however notice the there is a dent in the brass at the bottom of the Scabbard, Maybe this is a hint that at least the Scabbard was used at some point.

 

The 'dent' in the drag is quite common on foot officer scabbards.  The owner would deliberately put a kink in the drag to keep the blade from rattling.

 

I've had several of these over the years, both 1850 foot officers and 1850 Field and Staff's and all of them had the kink in the drag.

 

Looks all original to me and a great buy on your part.

 

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