Artillery Round ?

[cagedfalcon]

 

This the only pic I have, marked C7 23.

Does anyone know what it it & era?

Thanks

 

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[cagedfalcon]

Got ahold of seller.

6.25 diameter

19.5 circumstance

23.25 tall

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[Kaptainssurplus]

152mm round maybe?

[cagedfalcon]

I've made an offer to seller for the round & 6 boxes of 303 head stamped 1943. I will post back hear when in hand.


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[opus5150]

It appears similar to a WW1 60PDR, (or 6"), shrapnel shell.  It's a little hard to tell in the picture, but it appears like the ogive is pinned to the shell body.  The fuse doesn't look correct, but it may have been used after WW1.  If I'm right, that shell is in great condition for its age and having been fired downrange at some point.  I have one very similar to this, but its a bit pitted and scarred.  .50 included for scale, but your measurements are very close to mine except for the height.  This one is appx 19.5" tall with fuse.

[cagedfalcon]

It appears similar to a WW1 60PDR, (or 6"), shrapnel shell.  It's a little hard to tell in the picture, but it appears like the ogive is pinned to the shell body.  The fuse doesn't look correct, but it may have been used after WW1.  If I'm right, that shell is in great condition for its age and having been fired downrange at some point.  I have one very similar to this, but its a bit pitted and scarred.  .50 included for scale, but your measurements are very close to mine except for the height.  This one is appx 19.5" tall with fuse.

Should have in hand this weekend.

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[917601]

You have a fired ( rotating band is used) 105 Howitzer Illumination projectile. Plus, it appears to have the correct and hard to find fuze. Minus- the rotating band indicates it has been fired. Look just above the rotating band and you will find the markings, should be marked M314, M314A1, or M314A2 and dated ( probably from the 1950's judging by the fuze). Fuze should have same date, I forgot the mechanical time Fuze " M" number. The correct case for yours if dated in the 50's will be a laquered steel case, GB has one for about $75. See mine, unfired and correct coloring and inking.105 H illuminating  projectiles much harder to find than the HE ones. To be sure to measure the base- it should be 105mm across ( diameter).

[917601]

Also, if the base is 4.2 inches across, it may be the illumination mortar round. Hard to tell , need pictures of the base and exact measurements, if it is a 155 Illum round it will be 6.1" diameter. and marked 155mm, with the M number.

[917601]

Sorry, I am stupid. I did not notice the diameter dimension you posted. If 6.1" or so, it is definitely a 155mm Illum round ( identical to the 105mm Illum, but larger).The bottom should be missing ( open) as the flare and parachute are blown out the bottom at a pre set height. 155mm, lot number, year, etc will be marked about 1/2 inch above the rotating band. It may be hard to find due to the light rust, but it is there. The fuze is the older 1940s/1950's mechanical timed fuze. It should also be marked with M number, date, etc.

[cagedfalcon]

Sorry, I am stupid. I did not notice the diameter dimension you posted. If 6.1" or so, it is definitely a 155mm Illum round ( identical to the 105mm Illum, but larger).The bottom should be missing ( open) as the flare and parachute are blown out the bottom at a pre set height. 155mm, lot number, year, etc will be marked about 1/2 inch above the rotating band. It may be hard to find due to the light rust, but it is there. The fuze is the older 1940s/1950's mechanical timed fuze. It should also be marked with M number, date, etc.

Thank you, now if I can just meet with seller.

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[cagedfalcon]

You have a fired ( rotating band is used) 105 Howitzer Illumination projectile. Plus, it appears to have the correct and hard to find fuze. Minus- the rotating band indicates it has been fired. Look just above the rotating band and you will find the markings, should be marked M314, M314A1, or M314A2 and dated ( probably from the 1950's judging by the fuze). Fuze should have same date, I forgot the mechanical time Fuze " M" number. The correct case for yours if dated in the 50's will be a laquered steel case, GB has one for about $75. See mine, unfired and correct coloring and inking.105 H illuminating  projectiles much harder to find than the HE ones. To be sure to measure the base- it should be 105mm across ( diameter).

OK, this thing weighs a ton. Some pitting above the ring but I think it's mainly casting issues. Main pitting below drive ring. All markings pictured. 23.5 inches tall, 6 inches at base.
Please fill me in as to what year it is.

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[917601]

Good pics. You have a 155mm howitzer Illumination projectile. Body is 1943 dated, has nice flaming bomb marking which also indicates WW2. The Fuze is the correct M54 type, dated March 1945. Body not in very good condition however Illumination rounds are harder to find than the HE. The MTSQ M54 fuze not in tip top shape, but are desireable with ordnance collectors. 155mm howitzer WW2 dated rounds as a whole are harder to find than the more common 105, 75, and smaller calibers. Do not attempt to paint it, leave as is, it has been fired and looks impressive.

[cagedfalcon]

Good pics. You have a 155mm howitzer Illumination projectile. Body is 1943 dated, has nice flaming bomb marking which also indicates WW2. The Fuze is the correct M54 type, dated March 1945. Body not in very good condition however Illumination rounds are harder to find than the HE. The MTSQ M54 fuze not in tip top shape, but are desireable with ordnance collectors. 155mm howitzer WW2 dated rounds as a whole are harder to find than the more common 105, 75, and smaller calibers. Do not attempt to paint it, leave as is, it has been fired and looks impressive.

Thank you for the info.

Plan on leaving as recommended but degrease & wax it to prevent further damage. May be sitting on carpet & don't want to damage it, paste wax can be removed by heat so no permanent damage.

Seller drove 3.5 hours to deliver.



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[917601]

Good deal, I use museum wax, called Renaissance Micro- crystalline wax, museums recommend it and is cheap ( try eBay or Amazon).It can also be removed with mineral sprits.

[917601]

Operation of your Illum round for information. Also, not sure you know, the 155 H does not have a shell casing. It is placed in the chamber, then powder bags are inserted. Picture from a WW2 TM. The parachutes that connect to the flare are out there, but 70's dated, the same design has been used since WW2.

[917601]

I am posting a few of my 155's for interest. On left is a 1942 dated M101 HE ( 155G, not 155 H, the 155G was used in the famous Long Tom and similar to the M1 HE but difference being in the wider rotating band) with a 1944 C.P. Fuze used for bunker busting. Center: 155 H Cluster bomb shell, M483A1, it hold 88 cluster bombs inside. Rt: my favorite, M121,  a 155 VX Nerve agent projectile, with all the guts ( painted gold- inert) intact used to test our robotic machines in destroying the chemical stockpiles around 1991, mandated by world treaty. I buy all the 155's I can find due to their scarcity.

[cagedfalcon]

I am posting a few of my 155's for interest. On left is a 1942 dated M101 HE ( 155G, not 155 H, the 155G was used in the famous Long Tom and similar to the M1 HE but difference being in the wider rotating band) with a 1944 C.P. Fuze used for bunker busting. Center: 155 H Cluster bomb shell, M483A1, it hold 88 cluster bombs inside. Rt: my favorite, M121,  a 155 VX Nerve agent projectile, with all the guts ( painted gold- inert) intact used to test our robotic machines in destroying the chemical stockpiles around 1991, mandated by world treaty. I buy all the 155's I can find due to their scarcity.

Very impressive collection & size.
Is this the type of cluster the center one takes?

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[917601]

2 hours ago, cagedfalcon said:

 

 

Very impressive collection & size.
Is this the type of cluster the center one takes?

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No, yours pictured I believe is from an older CBU bomb, a 5-6 ft traditional looking bomb that split open and spilled about 2-3000 into the wind stream. Mine pictured, are M42 shaped charges that had anti tank and personnel capabilities. A little bigger than a D sized battery. The 155 cluster held 88 of them, known for a high dud rate.

[917601]

I am figuring out how to best display the 155 cluster shell I have filled with the M42s I have. Finding a dozen took a long time, now getting very hard to find. The best way is obviously lay the monster horizontal with the rear end exposed. I want to manufacture a " pull out" tray to view the load....on the back burner for now.

[cagedfalcon]

Dedicated collector!

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