63 RECON Posted July 6, 2020 Share #26 Posted July 6, 2020 anyone have the 551st Roster? Any one with the initials WS in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wer27 Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share #27 Posted July 6, 2020 good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bugme Posted July 6, 2020 Share #30 Posted July 6, 2020 I want this one to be legit however, we have arrived at the place where fakes are so good, that a handful of down sized pictures on the internet does not give anyone a clear answer and has neutered any chance of anyone of us stating categorically that it's good or it's bad. An in hand inspection by an experienced collector(s) is really the only route with these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted July 6, 2020 Share #31 Posted July 6, 2020 Sage words.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted July 8, 2020 Share #32 Posted July 8, 2020 ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccauslandpara1944 Posted July 8, 2020 Share #33 Posted July 8, 2020 Man this is a real brain teaser! I really like what I see on this one. judging from the pictures, the patina looks good and it doesn't have the immediate "aging" look like so many repo helmets that get put outside for a few months. I think this one has a real shot. If you have the option to see it in hand, definitely get a hold of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byf41 Posted July 8, 2020 Share #34 Posted July 8, 2020 My first Impression was It seems plausible . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted July 9, 2020 Share #35 Posted July 9, 2020 Where is this helmet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted July 9, 2020 Share #36 Posted July 9, 2020 Didn’t IMA sell some of these helmets maybe ten to fifteen years ago? Could be one of those that has naturally aged some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted July 9, 2020 Share #37 Posted July 9, 2020 Ima fakes dont seem to be the masters of subtlety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie96 Posted July 9, 2020 Share #38 Posted July 9, 2020 I’m not sure crazing can be faked. One of the signs of an authentic painted helmet. Another user showed this on amazon on sale now. Came in a day but haven’t had time to mess with it. His pics looked good though but can’t find the thread right now. Maybe worth a shot if you don’t have powerful enough magnification yet and can get it in hand. Good luck. https://www.amazon.com/Microscope-Magnification-Inspection-Compatible-Smartphone/dp/B07PVMRZQH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted July 9, 2020 Share #39 Posted July 9, 2020 From what I was told, well, my father was told by an ex-FBI guy, is that agents are trained to identify counterfeit money not by looking at all the ways bills are faked or by studying fakes but rather by studying only the authentic. Enough of that and a fake becomes obvious as such just based on experience. From what I have observed, there just aren't many demonstrably authentic examples of such helmets nor those with that much experience in only vet-gifted or proven helmets. Additionally, originals varied greatly whereas things like authentic 100 dollar bills do not. What we as collectors get to study are examples that other "expert" collectors say they have held "in-hand" and testify that to them it is real. We also get to study more fakes than not. That's about as good as it gets without provenance. We've seen where that can lead us. To me, comments like "Looks good", and "I like it" are not very meaningful in a world were such helmets, if known to be authentic, would command very high prices. Plunking down even 1/4 of such prices would be risky to me for something that will only collect more "I like its" over time and never grow provenance. I don't know of an objective "expert" who, in a hushed room of awaiting hopefuls, would squint at a helmet through a microscope and then look up and declare, "Its good!" to a now rumbling room of gasping bidders all now yelling and climbing towards the stage with wads of cash in hand. A little dramatic scene, I know. But really where is the objective truth in all this? What if we're wrong? Insistence and arrogance is all that stands as proof over time. What if we're are right? Still will never know and relies on the same hunches. Heck, "Came from my personal collection" or "from the collection of..." is where many well-known fakes have been found. Best evidence to me would be that it was found as-is in the bottom of a crate of $5 shells in an old surplus store in the 80s. I do know this - I could be one heck of a helmet counterfeiter but I couldn't cringe long enough to perform such a sadistic experiment on others. I couldn't sleep either. It's a neat looking helmet is about all I would ever say and then could imagine if it was real. To me the strength of the bond to those collectors I can embrace that agree with me can't translate into a lust to own it for more than any other M-1(within reason of course). What about the powdery rust lower on the base color and also under the chipped green camo? Is that old rust that was waiting to pop through both factory paint and the field applied camo paint? Did chips occur in the camo over the years that then rusted with the same appearance of the diffuse rust on the factory paint layer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted July 9, 2020 Share #40 Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Okie96 said: I’m not sure crazing can be faked. One of the signs of an authentic painted helmet. Another user showed this on amazon on sale now. Came in a day but haven’t had time to mess with it. His pics looked good though but can’t find the thread right now. Maybe worth a shot if you don’t have powerful enough magnification yet and can get it in hand. Good luck. https://www.amazon.com/Microscope-Magnification-Inspection-Compatible-Smartphone/dp/B07PVMRZQH I bought one of these and here is my camo helmet under the wifi scope ! This is what I would base any painted helmet on, mine is heavily field used and you can literally see the paint layers, and the rust that’s bled through as the 80 plus years have aged it away. I would love to see those white palms under the scope like others have expressed a in hand inspection Is always necessary with any painted helmet, but Also with the power of these scopes it’s very easy to see real from fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted July 9, 2020 Share #41 Posted July 9, 2020 Just now, ArchangelDM said: I bought one of these and here is my camo helmet under the wifi scope ! This is what I would base any painted helmet on, mine is heavily field used and you can literally see the paint layers, and the rust that’s bled through as the 80 plus years have aged it away. I would love to see those white palms under the scope like others have expressed a in hand inspection Is always necessary with any painted helmet, but Also with the power of these scopes it’s very easy to see real from fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted July 9, 2020 Share #42 Posted July 9, 2020 Nice. Paint from your helmet you say? Had you cleaned it? Sure is bright camo considering the first pic. I suppose the micro can have that effect. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueprint Posted July 9, 2020 Share #43 Posted July 9, 2020 What about these two: https://www.lux-military-antiques.com/en/p/usm1-helmet-101st-ab-327th-glider-infantry-regiment-.htm https://www.lux-military-antiques.com/en/p/usm1-helmet-101st-ab-327th-glider-infantry-regiment-1st-bn-1.htm Popped up today on their website. One goes for 9850€ and the other for 13500€. Legit? Could only upload one picture as I’m currently on work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted July 9, 2020 Share #44 Posted July 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, dmar836 said: Nice. Paint from your helmet you say? Had you cleaned it? Sure is bright camo considering the first pic. I suppose the micro can have that effect. Dave thankyou microscope is fitted with white LEDs for light hence the brightness And also no you never clean a helmet - never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted July 9, 2020 Share #45 Posted July 9, 2020 Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted July 10, 2020 Share #46 Posted July 10, 2020 Of course but the microscope language offends some !!!!Owen Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B24AT6 Posted July 10, 2020 Share #47 Posted July 10, 2020 4 hours ago, ArchangelDM said: Great closeups! I’ve found that if you adjust how bright you have the LEDs you can usually find a level that shows the true color pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted July 10, 2020 Share #48 Posted July 10, 2020 4 hours ago, B24AT6 said: Great closeups! I’ve found that if you adjust how bright you have the LEDs you can usually find a level that shows the true color pretty well. still working out the kinks great little tool in the fight against fakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted July 10, 2020 Share #49 Posted July 10, 2020 Hi, I think it is the right place to ask for an opinion on this helmet with mimicry and insignia of the 551th, the wear is very real and true, but I know that there are many repro of this kind of helmet I am leaning on this helmet being real now.Good luck with it and keep your source very close so it’s not poached from under you Owen Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted July 10, 2020 Share #50 Posted July 10, 2020 ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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