ispy Posted July 1, 2020 Share #1 Posted July 1, 2020 Hi all I recently purchase this M1 with an old camouflage painted. What's interesting is that underneath the camo is a blue paint over the original green which I have seen similar colors of either Navy or Police. It's a Schulter with number 457A S, rear seam with swivel bales. Any research I've done suggests late 1944. I'd ask if anybody has seen similar or what period (war) they would think it originated from. I ask as I know a lot of oversupply were used in Korea but what confuses me is the blue under paint. Thank you in advance. Royston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted July 1, 2020 Share #2 Posted July 1, 2020 weird------------- reminds me of the colors used in Nam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne-Hunter Posted July 1, 2020 Share #3 Posted July 1, 2020 I like it alot. Blue reminds me of Air Force Security Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted July 1, 2020 Share #4 Posted July 1, 2020 Kinda reminds me of these helmets posted here: https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/286627-civil-police-m1-helmets/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted July 1, 2020 Share #5 Posted July 1, 2020 Link doesn’t work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted July 1, 2020 Share #6 Posted July 1, 2020 Trying again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ispy Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted July 2, 2020 Thank you all for your input and opinions, I appreciate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
644td Posted February 4, 2022 Share #8 Posted February 4, 2022 I now own the helmet and have looked it over thoroughly and I think the blue is Air Force not Navy. I’m not sure when the camo was applied and not sure if the reason. The paint is old but anything from the 1980’s is now old LOL, so when was it done I’m not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
644td Posted February 4, 2022 Share #9 Posted February 4, 2022 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daswrack Posted February 4, 2022 Share #10 Posted February 4, 2022 the navy helmets were generally a more greyish shade i think, but helmets were constantly repainted and reissued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted February 4, 2022 Share #11 Posted February 4, 2022 I like those forest pictures 644td Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usmc2004 Posted February 4, 2022 Share #12 Posted February 4, 2022 2 hours ago, 644td said: . This is very interesting, I have an early fixed bail helmet that has a heavy brushed on over paint with what looks like the same blue paint underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
644td Posted February 4, 2022 Share #13 Posted February 4, 2022 That’s very interesting and I like the helmet. As stated most Helmet we’re repainted at different times, so that’s a mystery I would like to solve with everyone’s help. 1) what branch of service or country used this blue? 2) what time frame for the color? 3) need more examples for a base line a new thread probably needs to be started to address this mystery. Maybe I’m the only one wanting to solve it😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daswrack Posted February 4, 2022 Share #14 Posted February 4, 2022 2 hours ago, 644td said: That’s very interesting and I like the helmet. As stated most Helmet we’re repainted at different times, so that’s a mystery I would like to solve with everyone’s help. 1) what branch of service or country used this blue? 2) what time frame for the color? 3) need more examples for a base line a new thread probably needs to be started to address this mystery. Maybe I’m the only one wanting to solve it😄 almost like the UN blue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
644td Posted February 4, 2022 Share #15 Posted February 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, daswrack said: almost like the UN blue? The paints are similar but I think they are different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
644td Posted February 4, 2022 Share #16 Posted February 4, 2022 UN blue Air Force blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daswrack Posted February 4, 2022 Share #17 Posted February 4, 2022 30 minutes ago, 644td said: UN blue Air Force blue I think it seems more similar to USAF blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted February 4, 2022 Share #18 Posted February 4, 2022 Hey, Marty! Ya know I wonder if any other country could have used this? The IDF comes to mind but M-1s were all over the place. I know we got a lot of stuff back from Israel in the last couple decades. That one does have a desert look and the blue beneath is unique. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
644td Posted February 4, 2022 Share #19 Posted February 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, dmar836 said: Hey, Marty! Ya know I wonder if any other country could have used this? The IDF comes to mind but M-1s were all over the place. I know we got a lot of stuff back from Israel in the last couple decades. That one does have a desert look and the blue beneath is unique. Dave Dave, there maybe some true to what you are saying. I believe if we can get collectors to look closely at the helmets they have and/or dig out the ones they have that have the same blue we can built a base to work from. I had a Chaplains helmet with the same blue and I thought it was Navy but I don’t know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
644td Posted February 6, 2022 Share #20 Posted February 6, 2022 Does anyone else have a helmet with the same blue paint? I would like to determine with other examples of a time frame and branch of service. thanks, marty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usmc2004 Posted February 7, 2022 Share #21 Posted February 7, 2022 Hey Marty can you get a magnified photo of the blue paint on your helmet? It is defiantly a different type of paint than what is on the chaplain helmet. The one I have came paired up with a Hawley liner that looks to have been in it a long time, I know it could have been swapped out at some time, and maybe it was but with that and the heavy brushed on over paint I suspect it to be pretty early for a time frame on mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
644td Posted February 8, 2022 Share #22 Posted February 8, 2022 18 hours ago, Usmc2004 said: Hey Marty can you get a magnified photo of the blue paint on your helmet? It is defiantly a different type of paint than what is on the chaplain helmet. The one I have came paired up with a Hawley liner that looks to have been in it a long time, I know it could have been swapped out at some time, and maybe it was but with that and the heavy brushed on over paint I suspect it to be pretty early for a time frame on mine. Will do, Your helmet does seem to be an older paint with the blue underneath. I would love to see other helmets, again to help establish a base line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 8, 2022 Share #23 Posted February 8, 2022 https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/23767-color-of-paint-on-usn-helmets/good topic on Navy helmets Color of paint on USN helmets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 8, 2022 Share #24 Posted February 8, 2022 Here are some charts of Navy ship colors/ measures. Some place I found a US Navy paint manual on line. https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/World_War_II_ship_camouflage_measures_of_the_United_States_Navy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 8, 2022 Share #25 Posted February 8, 2022 Paint mixed on ship may / may not always be mixed to spec. Im sure color variations were inevitable Manual pdf. https://maritime.org/doc/camo/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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