Barbasol Posted January 12, 2021 Share #26 Posted January 12, 2021 Pictures as reference. Pictures are taken in The National Museum of Military History in Diekirch, Luxemburg. Brown paper lot cards and unmarked bandoleers. I own three WWII bandoleers and none are marked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAP45 Posted February 18, 2021 Share #27 Posted February 18, 2021 I recently heard that there are 2 different types of cardboard for the Garand enblocs. And early High one (like the one shown for the 5 round strppers on page one) and a later or post war short one. Had never heard this before and had only seen the short ones. anyone ever hear of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverplate Posted February 21, 2021 Share #28 Posted February 21, 2021 Your information is partially accurate. There were actually three variations of the enbloc cardboard sleeve. The bandoleer sleeve was the same height for the enblocs as it was for the stripper clips. Pre-war and early war the sleeves looked identical to the 5-round sleeves, but side-by-side comparison shows the enbloc sleeve to be slightly narrower. Then mid-war a notch was put in the enbloc sleeve to make it easier to grab the clip. By 1945, when the lot card was discontinued in favor of printing on the bandoleer, the embloc sleeve was reduced in height.That shorter sleeve was used through the end of .30-06 production. The first photo shows a Remington bandoleer from 1943, with the notched sleeves just visible in the pockets. The second photo shows a Frankford bandoleer from 1944 with the tall enbloc sleeves with cutout. The third photo shows a 1945 bando from St. Louis with the shorter sleeve and the last of the lot cards used. The fourth photo shows the early sleeve from a 1942 Denver bando. The last three photos show the differences between the enbloc and stripper sleeves. Hope this helps. If you need any of these sleeves, I make replicas of both tall sleeves (shown in the last photo). Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armysoldierant1944 Posted February 21, 2021 Share #29 Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, silverplate said: Your information is partially accurate. There were actually three variations of the enbloc cardboard sleeve. The bandoleer sleeve was the same height for the enblocs as it was for the stripper clips. Pre-war and early war the sleeves looked identical to the 5-round sleeves, but side-by-side comparison shows the enbloc sleeve to be slightly narrower. Then mid-war a notch was put in the enbloc sleeve to make it easier to grab the clip. By 1945, when the lot card was discontinued in favor of printing on the bandoleer, the embloc sleeve was reduced in height.That shorter sleeve was used through the end of .30-06 production. The first photo shows a Remington bandoleer from 1943, with the notched sleeves just visible in the pockets. The second photo shows a Frankford bandoleer from 1944 with the tall enbloc sleeves with cutout. The third photo shows a 1945 bando from St. Louis with the shorter sleeve and the last of the lot cards used. The fourth photo shows the early sleeve from a 1942 Denver bando. The last three photos show the differences between the enbloc and stripper sleeves. Hope this helps. If you need any of these sleeves, I make replicas of both tall sleeves (shown in the last photo). Charlie Charlie - again, a great wealth of information from you. A great help to guys like us! Oh, I have a marked bandoleer with a black clothespin and RA33760 stamped. Would this be late WW2? Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armysoldierant1944 Posted February 21, 2021 Share #30 Posted February 21, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverplate Posted February 21, 2021 Share #31 Posted February 21, 2021 Richard, your bandoleer is post-WW2. The Remington lot numbers for 1945 run from 33560 to 33719. Remington continued to produce .30 caliber ball at least until 1959, which is where my tech bulletin ends. That last lot number is 43333. Nice example, Remington bandos aren't seen too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collector Posted February 21, 2021 Share #32 Posted February 21, 2021 So this would be Korea? I have another with 1952 date on it that is the darker greener green(OD #7), but this one has a color more resembling the WW2 khaki-like color (OD#3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverplate Posted February 22, 2021 Share #33 Posted February 22, 2021 That's actually a bandoleer loaded with carbine rounds. Carbine ammo wasn't packed in bandoleers during WWII, that practice started with Korea. As far as the color goes, it could've been a wartime production that was left over then put in service for Korea when bandoleers were needed again. Also, the carbine lot numbers from Lake City ended at #12965 in 1945. That's a nice example! Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collector Posted February 22, 2021 Share #34 Posted February 22, 2021 Here's the later one just for the record, and a close-up of the date. I see the 10RD CLIPS wording on both, did not pay much attention before since I did not know about the no clips in WW2 before. Good info on LC dates too, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverplate Posted February 23, 2021 Share #35 Posted February 23, 2021 Interesting what goes around, comes around. Manufacturer name and date on the bandoleer was found during WWI, then dropped for WWII, probably due to the sheer numbers produced. That's another nice example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collector Posted February 23, 2021 Share #36 Posted February 23, 2021 This thread should be pinned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armysoldierant1944 Posted February 23, 2021 Share #37 Posted February 23, 2021 On 2/21/2021 at 9:20 PM, silverplate said: Richard, your bandoleer is post-WW2. The Remington lot numbers for 1945 run from 33560 to 33719. Remington continued to produce .30 caliber ball at least until 1959, which is where my tech bulletin ends. That last lot number is 43333. Nice example, Remington bandos aren't seen too often. You have been most helpful again, Charlie. Thanks! Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverplate Posted February 26, 2021 Share #38 Posted February 26, 2021 My pleasure sir. Any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now