AKC123 Posted May 22, 2020 Share #1 Posted May 22, 2020 I just got a 1990 contract Air Force DCU that is concerning me now that I have it in hand. In the listing it looked pretty good and appeared to have theater made wings. After getting it and actually looking at it the name tape and BOS and wings look good. But the rank insignia and USCENTAF patch do not. They appear to be stitched on with clear plastic thread almost like very fine fishing line. And the rank has a long excess piece. The patch is attached with the same plastic thread and actually stitched all the way through the pocket to the inside of the coat. You can’t open the pocket. So did I strike out? Is this somebody trying to get a sale or could this actually be original?? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagmanL6 Posted May 23, 2020 Share #2 Posted May 23, 2020 The stitching on the rank looks "crooked". Leads me to believe hand sewn but am open to other opinions. A possibility is that the rank and patch were hand sewn with dental floss due to a promotion and unit assignment. Simpler to sew through the pocket vice in the pocket to a basic "seamstress" or just did it accidentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC123 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share #3 Posted May 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, BagmanL6 said: The stitching on the rank looks "crooked". Leads me to believe hand sewn but am open to other opinions. A possibility is that the rank and patch were hand sewn with dental floss due to a promotion and unit assignment. Simpler to sew through the pocket vice in the pocket to a basic "seamstress" or just did it accidentally. Thanks for the reply. The stitching on the pocket patch looks pretty strait to me. I’m just not sure. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagmanL6 Posted May 23, 2020 Share #4 Posted May 23, 2020 You're welcome. You've got it in hand so have a better perspective of the sewing quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC123 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share #5 Posted May 23, 2020 Just now, BagmanL6 said: You're welcome. You've got it in hand so have a better perspective of the sewing quality. Eh I don’t know about that. I still know practically nothing about sewing. Just pretty sure it’s not normal to sew a pocket shut or use clear line to do it. Just want some opinions on wether or not this might be someone the original owner may have done or something some sketchy seller may have done. Could go either way to me but that’s why I’m hoping for some more experienced opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC123 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share #6 Posted May 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, FriarChuck said: My Mom used clear thread to sew all of my boy scout merit badges and patches on. Looked a lot better than trying to color match thread. I’ll have to look at my BDUs but sewing through the pocket on the breast patches was not uncommon. A lot of guys had them sewed down. I have a few other patches from seamstresses with clear thread so I would not discount it out of hand. Friar Ah ok. Experience I was hoping for. First time I have seen it that’s why it threw me. Especially that long excess thread. Not sure why someone wouldn’t just clip it off if your gonna be wearing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC123 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted May 23, 2020 There’s traces of previously sewn tan thread under one of the rank insignia which would seem to me to indicate that an older insignia was removed before seeing this one on. Which would make sense if this was a change after a promotion I suppose. However there is also traces of green thread on top of the other rank insignia which makes it look to me at least like these insignia could have come off of another uniform which wouldn’t be consistent with that hypothesis and seem more likely that someone added them. But if there was a previous insignia then why bother adding these? I hope it’s original. It’s a 50/50 1990 contract which I haven’t seen before either. Iv only seen 100% cotton 1990 contracts until now so I assume this was made after 1990 when the fabric change was made but under the same contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC123 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share #8 Posted May 23, 2020 Just now, AKC123 said: There’s traces of previously sewn tan thread under one of the rank insignia which would seem to me to indicate that an older insignia was removed before seeing this one on. Which would make sense if this was a change after a promotion I suppose. However there is also traces of green thread on top of the other rank insignia which makes it look to me at least like these insignia could have come off of another uniform which wouldn’t be consistent with that hypothesis and seem more likely that someone added them. But if there was a previous insignia then why bother adding these? I hope it’s original. It’s a 50/50 1990 contract which I haven’t seen before either. Iv only seen 100% cotton 1990 contracts until now so I assume this was made after 1990 when the fabric change was made but under the same contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AKC123 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share #11 Posted May 23, 2020 Or is the green thread I’m seeing on the top of the insignia the thread from when they where folded onto themselves during the initial sewing process that made the insignia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted May 23, 2020 Share #12 Posted May 23, 2020 Sewing pockets shut with pocket patches is far more common than not. The only two ways to avoid sewing the pocket shut would be to hand sew it, which is time consuming. Or if machine sewing, remove the pocket from the uniform, sew the patch to it, and reattach the pocket. This is also time consuming. Of course if done by a seamstress this extra time becomes extra cost. It seems most airman opted for the loss of one or two pockets over the extra complexity. I will also say now is a safe time to collect BDUs and DCUs. It was better a few years ago, but still they are inexpensive and overlooked by many, not prime targets for a faker. The majority of current fakes are special operations modified DCUs, either maliciously or by airsofters, with only occasional humped-up regular infantry uniforms. I doubt many or any fakers are doing plain airforce uniforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC123 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share #13 Posted May 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Cap Camouflage Pattern I said: Sewing pockets shut with pocket patches is far more common than not. The only two ways to avoid sewing the pocket shut would be to hand sew it, which is time consuming. Or if machine sewing, remove the pocket from the uniform, sew the patch to it, and reattach the pocket. This is also time consuming. Of course if done by a seamstress this extra time becomes extra cost. It seems most airman opted for the loss of one or two pockets over the extra complexity. I will also say now is a safe time to collect BDUs and DCUs. It was better a few years ago, but still they are inexpensive and overlooked by many, not prime targets for a faker. The majority of current fakes are special operations modified DCUs, either maliciously or by airsofters, with only occasional humped-up regular infantry uniforms. I doubt many or any fakers are doing plain airforce uniforms. Makes sense. This is only my second AF DCU. The first one did not have the pocket sewn shut so this threw me. Constantly learning. Thanks for the replies I really appreciate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravo_2_zero Posted May 24, 2020 Share #14 Posted May 24, 2020 1990/1 desert uniforms kinda hard to find now , it's also in fantastic condition. The majority I've seen 1990/1 have also been USAF stock too. You'll also find the early stuff when worn/washed goes an amazing lime/mint green colour. One of my favourite uniforms the early ones of these rather than anything later produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC123 Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share #15 Posted May 25, 2020 22 hours ago, bravo_2_zero said: 1990/1 desert uniforms kinda hard to find now , it's also in fantastic condition. The majority I've seen 1990/1 have also been USAF stock too. You'll also find the early stuff when worn/washed goes an amazing lime/mint green colour. One of my favourite uniforms the early ones of these rather than anything later produced. I have four 90/91 DCUs. Two are patched and two are clean. I agree there’s something about them that is more appealing than the later ones just in terms of the uniform itself. But the late 90’s to early 2000’s DCU’s are going to be the classics for obvious reasons. It’s hard to choose haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Ambrosini Posted June 3, 2020 Share #16 Posted June 3, 2020 Sewing patches through the pockets is not uncommon. The alterations shops wherever I have been charged extra to patch the pockets while leaving the pocket functional. I think they had to open up the pocket seams to do it, hence the extra cost. At Travis AFB, it currently costs $5 to sew a patch onto a pocket, $7 if you want the pocket to be functional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC123 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share #17 Posted June 3, 2020 Thanks for the reply’s. Valuable info and happy to learn. I didn’t think about the standard wings. Maybe he just didn’t fly long before moving on to some non flight position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC123 Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted June 6, 2020 On 5/22/2020 at 9:32 PM, FriarChuck said: My Mom used clear thread to sew all of my boy scout merit badges and patches on. Looked a lot better than trying to color match thread. I’ll have to look at my BDUs but sewing through the pocket on the breast patches was not uncommon. A lot of guys had them sewed down. I have a few other patches from seamstresses with clear thread so I would not discount it out of hand. Friar When you say you have other patches with clear thread do you mean on DCUs or BDUs? Or do you mean on personal items? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC123 Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share #19 Posted June 6, 2020 Thanks man. That’s very helpful I appreciate it. I think I’m convinced haha probably don't need anymore unless others would be interested to see. Again thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLegGI Posted June 7, 2020 Share #20 Posted June 7, 2020 Pretty sure the guy's name is Thad, but you're not going to find any information about him. You'll find some about a female OSI agent, but not him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC123 Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share #21 Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, RedLegGI said: Pretty sure the guy's name is Thad, but you're not going to find any information about him. You'll find some about a female OSI agent, but not him. I like it even more now. Damn sweet name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLegGI Posted June 7, 2020 Share #22 Posted June 7, 2020 39 minutes ago, AKC123 said: I like it even more now. Damn sweet name Yeah, it isn't short for Thaddeus either, its just Thad. I remember this top coming up for sale and seeing if I could find him and came up with a just a name. That is the worst kind of identification, but hopefully over time more info may come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC123 Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share #23 Posted June 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, RedLegGI said: Yeah, it isn't short for Thaddeus either, its just Thad. I remember this top coming up for sale and seeing if I could find him and came up with a just a name. That is the worst kind of identification, but hopefully over time more info may come out. Awesome. Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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