Nickman983 Posted May 13, 2020 Share #1 Posted May 13, 2020 I was looking at one of my helmets just now and realized that the long chinstrap is hanging on by a thread. It looks like the stitching essentially disintegrated from the rust that formed while it rested against the inside of the helmet. I'd like to try to keep the chinstrap attached if possible. Generally I like to go by the "less is more" mindset with things like this, but I'm concerned that, even if I don't mess with it, it may eventually fall off just from moving the helmet around to clean. Any thoughts on how best to handle this? Is there anything I could do to preserve the chinstrap without ruining it or am I best off leaving things alone as much as possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted May 13, 2020 Share #2 Posted May 13, 2020 A drop of super glue works well and is least intrusive repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share #3 Posted May 13, 2020 Thanks for the suggestion. That's exactly what I was thinking would be the best way to keep it from falling off. I hate to repair it but I think it would be the best solution in this case. At the very least, with how the stitches broke, I think I can repair it without it looking any different than a normal chinstrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntssurplus Posted May 13, 2020 Share #4 Posted May 13, 2020 You could also get a rubber band or some sort of clip to hold the to parts together. It will take the stress of the remaining stitches and wont make you have any permanent fixes in terms of not being able to go back. It'd be best to find some low pressure so not like a binder clip to avoid any indentrations in the canvas part of the chinstrap. Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchfoot Posted May 13, 2020 Share #5 Posted May 13, 2020 If you don’t want to mess with it at all, just don’t buckle it around the back of the helmet. That gives it the most tension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share #6 Posted May 13, 2020 That's normally what I would do but at this point the chinstrap is hanging on almost literally by a single thread, so my concern is even with gentle handling it will fall off sooner rather or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M422A1 Posted May 13, 2020 Share #7 Posted May 13, 2020 Super glue or re-sew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonm Posted May 13, 2020 Share #8 Posted May 13, 2020 Fabric glue works well or period thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
644td Posted May 13, 2020 Share #9 Posted May 13, 2020 Can we see the results when you decide what you will do? marty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted May 13, 2020 Thanks for the suggestions all. I think I'm going to do some research and pick up some fabric glue this week. I think that's the best repair in this case. While redoing the stitching would work, it wouldn't look right due to rust staining on the inside of the chinstrap. Thankfully the bar tacking is in place on both sides of the chinstrap and has just deteriorated in the center, so I think I should be able to get this repaired without making it obvious. I'll update after I've gone through with the repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOLO Posted May 18, 2020 Share #11 Posted May 18, 2020 I would carefully hand stitch it back together, using thread from a WW2 era sewing kit , a GI would do the same in field conditions, and the straps are original to the shell, this would be the closest to replicating a repair, they wouldnt have super glue available, a quick field repair wont harm it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted May 18, 2020 Share #12 Posted May 18, 2020 Super glue and then a touch of activator to Harden fast as suggested by others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share #13 Posted May 19, 2020 I ended up picking up some fabric glue and tried that on some surplus crimp on chinstraps I had laying around. This ended up not working at all. I'm not sure if the glue I chose was just not good or if the glue was soaking into the chinstraps but I think a glue stick would have worked better than the glue I ended up trying. I'm not sure if super glue would have worked better but I'm apprehensive about trying that due to how it supposedly reacts with cotton. I may give a different fabric glue a shot and see if I get better results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share #14 Posted May 28, 2020 I ended up trying another fabric glue and had much better results this time. I used Bish's Original Tear Mender which actually worked this time and resulted in a pretty strong bond. It's a bit difficult to work with since it doesn't have the viscosity of other glues so you need to be careful that it doesn't run somewhere unintended. I used as little glue as I could, held it in place for ~5 minutes to wait for it to start bonding, and then let it sit for another hour or so. If I really wanted to I could probably break the bond but even with the chinstraps buckled behind the helmet I think it should hold up well. I probably could have done a bit better of a job but for the most part you can't tell that anythings been done to the chinstrap unless you were looking for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
644td Posted May 29, 2020 Share #15 Posted May 29, 2020 Looks great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted May 29, 2020 Share #16 Posted May 29, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 2:49 PM, Nickman983 said: I ended up picking up some fabric glue and tried that on some surplus crimp on chinstraps I had laying around. This ended up not working at all. I'm not sure if the glue I chose was just not good or if the glue was soaking into the chinstraps but I think a glue stick would have worked better than the glue I ended up trying. I'm not sure if super glue would have worked better but I'm apprehensive about trying that due to how it supposedly reacts with cotton. I may give a different fabric glue a shot and see if I get better results. I would not have suggested superglue if it could potentially damage anything. Superglue works well, works fast, preserves the look of the "original" bartacking, does not damage the cotton, does not release after the repair is completed and is near impossible to see after the repair. Fabric glue is for lightweight fabric, as you found out, kinda like if you were making a dress. It is not for thick layered reinforced cotton helmet straps. In the end, the repair looks good and your happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted May 29, 2020 Share #17 Posted May 29, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:29 PM, jasonm said: Fabric glue works well or period thread. I suppose it would... if you want it to look like it was repaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted May 29, 2020 Share #18 Posted May 29, 2020 On 5/17/2020 at 8:19 PM, BOLO said: I would carefully hand stitch it back together, using thread from a WW2 era sewing kit , a GI would do the same in field conditions, and the straps are original to the shell, this would be the closest to replicating a repair, they wouldnt have super glue available, a quick field repair wont harm it. I disagree. If we are trying to preserve the look, then resewing, no matter what era thread you use, does not preserve the look. It makes it look like someone repaired it, which looks even less original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted May 29, 2020 Share #19 Posted May 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Bugme said: I would not have suggested superglue if it could potentially damage anything. Superglue works well, works fast, preserves the look of the "original" bartacking, does not damage the cotton, does not release after the repair is completed and is near impossible to see after the repair. Fabric glue is for lightweight fabric, as you found out, kinda like if you were making a dress. It is not for thick layered reinforced thick cotton helmet straps. In the end, the repair looks good and your happy. I agree Scott wouldn’t have suggested something that would have potentially harmed the item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share #20 Posted May 29, 2020 If I had had some super glue handy I probably would have given that a shot first but since I had to buy something anyway not to take the small risk that super glue might burn the chinstraps. The first fabric glue I tried was definitely more suited towards thinner material but the second one I ended up using is much more heavy duty. It claims it can be used on leather, canvas etc. I think I have a trashed liner chinstrap laying around somewhere I may give it a shot on. In the end the repair worked and looks reasonably well, which is all that really matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted May 29, 2020 Share #21 Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Nickman983 said: ...the small risk that super glue might burn the chinstraps... Burn? Where did you hear that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share #22 Posted May 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bugme said: Burn? Where did you hear that? Super glue (Cyanoacrylate) apparently has an exothermic reaction with certain materials including cotton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate#Reaction_with_cotton,_wool,_and_other_fibrous_materials I think the chances of it burning up a chinstrap are probably small but since I had to buy something anyway I decided to try the fabric glues first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted May 29, 2020 Share #23 Posted May 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Nickman983 said: Super glue (Cyanoacrylate) apparently has an exothermic reaction with certain materials including cotton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate#Reaction_with_cotton,_wool,_and_other_fibrous_materials I think the chances of it burning up a chinstrap are probably small but since I had to buy something anyway I decided to try the fabric glues first. Im going to say the chances of burning the chinstraps are nigh impossible with a touch of superglue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted May 29, 2020 Share #24 Posted May 29, 2020 20 minutes ago, Nickman983 said: Super glue (Cyanoacrylate) apparently has an exothermic reaction with certain materials including cotton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate#Reaction_with_cotton,_wool,_and_other_fibrous_materials I think the chances of it burning up a chinstrap are probably small but since I had to buy something anyway I decided to try the fabric glues first. Yeah, that may be a bit of overthinking but, OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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