collector Posted April 10, 2020 Share #1 Posted April 10, 2020 Haven't seen one like that before. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/864528700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdk0911 Posted April 10, 2020 Share #2 Posted April 10, 2020 me too - would like to know if the stock is a Rock-Ola- stock as Rock-Ola was only a few miles away from Quality Hardware and Rock-Ola supplied almost all of Quality Hardware stocks & Hand guards and barrels. here is the stamp on a 155XXXX and it doesn't look anything that the one above The only thing I could find in my stored m1 carbine notes is this and if so - very hard stock to find early RMC produced for Quality Hardware I-Cut stock with the large acceptance stamp, highwood, has the very large crossed cannon on the right side and "RMC" in the sling cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdk0911 Posted April 10, 2020 Share #3 Posted April 10, 2020 here is another RMC stamp and I did find this - so where is the RMC stamp on the carbine for sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jangle Posted April 11, 2020 Share #4 Posted April 11, 2020 Hello mdk0911, Both stock photos you show are Quality H.M.C. ordnance acceptance, crossed cannon marks, not Rock-Ola accepted ordnance stamps. Just to verify, the stocks are manufactured by Rock-Ola (RMC) for Quality and are marked in the sling cut out either RMC only for some of the very first production of Quality with the "large wheel" cartouche, as shown in your photo. The vast majority of Rock-Ola's stocks made for Quality are marked Q-RMC in the sling cut out with the small crossed cannon stamp as you show in your first photo. As for the GB auction Carbine being discussed above, the seller, (who is plenty knowledgable about what he's selling) again does not provide photos of the sling recess for identification of stock maker. Only says it's Rock-Ola. Rock-Ola did not put their own crossed cannon stamp on stocks to be sent to other manufacturers. And never in this location. Buyer beware! Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Detective Posted April 11, 2020 Share #5 Posted April 11, 2020 Here are pictures of the stock markings on the M1 Carbine in the auction being talked about. Dont know why he would leave out photos of the sling cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collector Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share #6 Posted April 11, 2020 Forgot to mention this is the same seller on the 1941 !911A1. Not showing some things on that one either., inside grips, slide and barrel details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jangle Posted April 12, 2020 Share #7 Posted April 12, 2020 A couple other things to look at (or should I say guess at since photos are not close enough to see clearly). The rear sight dovetail has a rust color where you would normally see punch or stake marks that may have been filled in with weld and re-finished. No close-up of rear sight markings. No close-up of sides of front sight. Butt plate is recent manufacture. I would lay money on the stock being a new (as in recent) production stock. I follow and save his Carbine auctions and the last 6 have all brought over 5K. So if he keeps getting bids like this from uneducated buyers, I think you'll continue to see these "Museum pieces". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdk0911 Posted April 12, 2020 Share #8 Posted April 12, 2020 Great eye jangle - agree that butt plate is very suspect - I don't like the stock cartouche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodes Posted April 13, 2020 Share #9 Posted April 13, 2020 Did the early Quality Hardware marked stocks (w/I-cut, high wood) also come with the 'RMC' marked handguards?.....Bodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdk0911 Posted April 13, 2020 Share #10 Posted April 13, 2020 I sent the seller 2 emails stating the issues and no answer - I figured that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jangle Posted April 13, 2020 Share #11 Posted April 13, 2020 Did the early Quality Hardware marked stocks (w/I-cut, high wood) also come with the 'RMC' marked handguards?.....Bodes Yes, the early QH hand guards with deep sighting groove were just marked RMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted April 13, 2020 Share #12 Posted April 13, 2020 I dont really even look at on line auctions for firearms.Still find them out here in the wild and at times very reasonable compared to all the fees and such with auctions.These two Inlands were both bought at area shows...Buying somehitn on an auction where you cant have it in hand isnt somehitng Im prone do do with a firearm...to much that cant be seen or to much can be in hanced.There was a very large 3 part auction in our area from a long time buyer and gun smith...all went on proxi bid.I feel sorry(a little) for the people that paid high retail plus for firearms then to find out they were re blued or severely pitted in areas that were not photographed. I will just stick to the local shows or other collectors I know where a person can have it in hand. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/185970-latest-m1-carbine/?hl=inland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spagg Posted April 13, 2020 Share #13 Posted April 13, 2020 I dont really even look at on line auctions for firearms.Still find them out here in the wild and at times very reasonable compared to all the fees and such with auctions.These two Inlands were both bought at area shows...Buying somehitn on an auction where you cant have it in hand isnt somehitng Im prone do do with a firearm...to much that cant be seen or to much can be in hanced.There was a very large 3 part auction in our area from a long time buyer and gun smith...all went on proxi bid.I feel sorry(a little) for the people that paid high retail plus for firearms then to find out they were re blued or severely pitted in areas that were not photographed. I will just stick to the local shows or other collectors I know where a person can have it in hand. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/185970-latest-m1-carbine/?hl=inland absolutely right on! Nothing like in hand inspection before shelling $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodes Posted April 13, 2020 Share #14 Posted April 13, 2020 Yes, the early QH hand guards with deep sighting groove were just marked RMC. Thank you for the reply....Bodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambo35 Posted April 14, 2020 Share #15 Posted April 14, 2020 The butt plate is from a post WW2 commercial carbine, not USGI. Chuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambo35 Posted April 14, 2020 Share #16 Posted April 14, 2020 The butt plate is from a Iver Johnson commercial carbine from the time period of 1978-1992. Check out the dot pattern and number of dots, they are identical; www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_ij05.html Hope the link works Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Detective Posted April 20, 2020 Share #17 Posted April 20, 2020 This Carbine sold for $6,525.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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