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I have a question about ww2 Navy and USMC uniforms. Was it standard for them to only wear the 1/2 inch ribbon size, or was it possible for personnel to wear the army/aaf size ribbons? If they did wear the army/aaf size ribbons, was it regulation or just something some guys did? And when did the navy and USMC switch to the army/aaf size ribbons? I know now all the services have the same size, but when was it switched. And did the Coast Guard and Merchant Marines have the same regulations during ww2?

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The switch was with the 1947 regulations. I have never seen a legit wwii navy/marine uniform with 3/8 ribbons. The Army however sometimes used the 1/2.


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I read in a memoir that the Navy commander at San Francisco was a stickler for ribbons. Vets that had never worn ribbons had to put them on or be fined.


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Hello

 

I have a question about ww2 Navy and USMC uniforms. Was it standard for them to only wear the 1/2 inch ribbon size, or was it possible for personnel to wear the army/aaf size ribbons? If they did wear the army/aaf size ribbons, was it regulation or just something some guys did? And when did the navy and USMC switch to the army/aaf size ribbons? I know now all the services have the same size, but when was it switched. And did the Coast Guard and Merchant Marines have the same regulations during ww2?

 

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Hunt

 

 

The switch was with the 1947 regulations. I have never seen a legit wwii navy/marine uniform with 3/8 ribbons. The Army however sometimes used the 1/2.

 

Like MOST uniforms that are found these days the ribbons and pinned on insignia is usually missing. The 10% (rough estimate) still are complete or just missing 1 or 2 insignia. USMC uniforms are usually stripped as to the nature of Marines ( I being one) who enjoy displaying and wearing those EGA insignia on pretty much everything! USMC ribbons which are one of my favorite things to collect are harder to come by for the 1/2 WWII racks, I have found one USMC uniform thus far intact with all insignia and ribbons original and as mentioned by ( Paul70) 3/8 ribbons are post war after 1946 I believe with the uniform regulation change including division patches. I have found in a USMC jacket pocket 3/8 ribbons pin back from a WWII Marine for WWII Victory and American Campaign ribbon.

 

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I have seen period photos of marines wearing 3/8 ribbons mixed in so I think it did happen but not very often. Whether it be that they didn’t have the 1/2 style yet or just put on whatever they had. Wasn’t there a picture of John Basilone with 3/8 ribbon?

 

 

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Most often the 1/2 and 3/8s were rarely worn. Almost all the USMC groups or uniforms I have had from veterans or their families were the 1/2 types and cloth versions.

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Could anyone post any period photos of the 3/8th being worn? And so that means 1/2 inch are all WW2 period?

 

Hunt


I am an amateur collector of US military items of the 20th century.

 

Looking for items related to:

-The Aleutian Island Campaign of WW2, Alaskan Theater, Alaska Defense Command, and more specifically the Battle of Attu

-Items related to the 50th Combat Engineer Regiment/Battalion

-Items related to Wheelus Air Force Base Libya, particularly from 1957-1960

-WW2 items belonging to service members from Northern Virginia

-WW2 Uniforms (all branches and services)

-Cheap/Throwaway WW2 named uniforms

-Smaller WW2 Groupings

-7th Infantry Division Items

-WW2 Photos and Letters (all branches, theaters, services, etc)

 

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I’m unable to download the photo at the moment, but Mitchell Paige wore 3/8 ribbons ( American Defense, China Service and MC Expeditionary) on his Aussie battle jacket when he was awarded the Medal of Honor in Australia after Guadalcanal.

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I found this 3/8th PUC with my Marine Grandfathers 1/2 ribbons. It also has the Blue stars that were originally authorized for Navy PUCs. No pics of him wearing it though. Hope this helps.

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Does this look like a 3/8" ribbon or just the angle of the picture?

 

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Hard to tell.

 

Here is a picture of R. V. Burgin in uniform in 1946, you know they are half inch as the same uniform is pictured in this thread with half inch: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/105120-wwii-ided-marine-dress-blues/

 

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They look like they could be 3/8th in the Basilone photo. I'll do some searching to see if I can find his Alphas in a museum. Not sure if they are with the family or lost to time though.Would love to see more photos. And thank you to everyone else that contributed, for member "FriarChuck" I believe I have seen multiple USMC uniforms with the 3/8th PUC while the rest were 1/2 inch. Not sure why this is, maybe a large amount of PUC's were made in 3/8? I'll dig out one of my USMC uniforms that might have 3/8th ribbons. It has a 2nd Marine Division patch that was removed so maybe it was used after the new regulation in 1946/1947?

Hunt


I am an amateur collector of US military items of the 20th century.

 

Looking for items related to:

-The Aleutian Island Campaign of WW2, Alaskan Theater, Alaska Defense Command, and more specifically the Battle of Attu

-Items related to the 50th Combat Engineer Regiment/Battalion

-Items related to Wheelus Air Force Base Libya, particularly from 1957-1960

-WW2 items belonging to service members from Northern Virginia

-WW2 Uniforms (all branches and services)

-Cheap/Throwaway WW2 named uniforms

-Smaller WW2 Groupings

-7th Infantry Division Items

-WW2 Photos and Letters (all branches, theaters, services, etc)

 

^^ PM ME!!

 

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Here's at least one Army Man wearing the large Navy types, Audie L. Murphy.

 

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Forgot to mention, in the Burgin photo the ribbons appear to definitely be taller leading me to believe Basilone is in fact wearing 3/8th.

 

Hunt


I am an amateur collector of US military items of the 20th century.

 

Looking for items related to:

-The Aleutian Island Campaign of WW2, Alaskan Theater, Alaska Defense Command, and more specifically the Battle of Attu

-Items related to the 50th Combat Engineer Regiment/Battalion

-Items related to Wheelus Air Force Base Libya, particularly from 1957-1960

-WW2 items belonging to service members from Northern Virginia

-WW2 Uniforms (all branches and services)

-Cheap/Throwaway WW2 named uniforms

-Smaller WW2 Groupings

-7th Infantry Division Items

-WW2 Photos and Letters (all branches, theaters, services, etc)

 

^^ PM ME!!

 

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Forgot to mention, in the Burgin photo the ribbons appear to definitely be taller leading me to believe Basilone is in fact wearing 3/8th.

 

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I would be pretty confident that John Basilone would be wearing 1/2 inch ribbons. I have seen other photos of him and they look like half inch. I would doubt that they even made a 3/8th Navy PUC during the war because it wasn't needed because no soldier would be wearing it with all of their other ribbons.


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I would be pretty confident that John Basilone would be wearing 1/2 inch ribbons. I have seen other photos of him and they look like half inch. I would doubt that they even made a 3/8th Navy PUC during the war because it wasn't needed because no soldier would be wearing it with all of their other ribbons.

I guess I was looking more at the top ribbon (MOH) I think. It looks different than the 3 ribbon rack below it.


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1/2 and the 3/8s examples are those veterans who requested or were given them post war by several years.

 

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Here's at least one Army Man wearing the large Navy types, Audie L. Murphy.

 

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This is a GREAT pic of Murph! My sister was recently married in the old cowboy town that once stood on A.M. ranch outside of Lake Elsinore, CA. I have a few pics of some memorabilia that was inside including a costume from one of the western movies.

 

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So were 3/8ths not used for Navy/USMC during WW2 then?

 

Here’s one from my collection, the PUC looks to be 3/8 while the rest are 1/2 inch. I’m confident these are original ww2 period, or at least veteran applied.

 

Hunt

 

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I am an amateur collector of US military items of the 20th century.

 

Looking for items related to:

-The Aleutian Island Campaign of WW2, Alaskan Theater, Alaska Defense Command, and more specifically the Battle of Attu

-Items related to the 50th Combat Engineer Regiment/Battalion

-Items related to Wheelus Air Force Base Libya, particularly from 1957-1960

-WW2 items belonging to service members from Northern Virginia

-WW2 Uniforms (all branches and services)

-Cheap/Throwaway WW2 named uniforms

-Smaller WW2 Groupings

-7th Infantry Division Items

-WW2 Photos and Letters (all branches, theaters, services, etc)

 

^^ PM ME!!

 

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