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Great info presented by the experienced collectors here, as always.

 

Too bad those bidding do not do their research.

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Here is another shot of OG Adrian getting jocked up in the ready room prior to boarding their jump aircraft. All of the men in this shot are wearing the "arched" SF wing with the period after the F.

 

From my experience, this is the more common of the two undoubtedly original styles.

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I also thought I might provide to background to this insignia. It is always best to start by stating what the SF wing is NOT; it is not a jump wing, nor is it specifically a Jedburgh or OSS insignia. The SF wing was more of an SSI or unit patch. It symbolized assignment to the Special Force Headquarters (SFHQ). SFHQ was the combined unit established to oversee the special operations missions associated with Operation Overlord. It was manned by personnel from the British SOE, the Free French BCRA and Americans. The American contingent was provided by the OSS. The three main operational elements of the SFHQ were the Jedburghs, the Operational Groups (OGs) and the Special Force (SF) Dets. assigned to each of the Allied invasion Armies as liaison elements. The Jedburgh's were three man teams consisting of an officer, a radio operator and a Free French operator. Their mission was to coordinate the actions of the Maquis and coordinate resupply. The Operational Groups were much larger combat units whose mission was also to coordinate with the resistance. Additionally, they were capable of conducting unilateral combat and sabotage operations. SFHQ also included the bakers and candlestick makers associated with any military unit, along with intelligence, communications and Morale Operations (MO) personnel. Today MO would be called PSYOPS. All of these people would have been eligible to wear the SF wing. The Operational Groups that dropped in to Southern France came from the MTO and were members of the "French OG", which eventually became Company A of the 2671st Special Reconnaissance Battalion. These men would not have worn the SF wing. The OSS typically only provided jump training to those whose mission required it. Donovan recruited heavily from the airborne divisions, so many OSS personnel were jump qualified when they entered the program. OSS personnel were also jump qualified by the British at their Ringway facility and in North Africa. Interesting to note that even the US jump qualified personnel assigned to SFHQ were required by the British to attend Ringway. This is why you see men wearing US jump wings, British jump wings and the SF "wing" at the same time.

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Thanks....one correction though. The French OG became Company B of the 2671st not Company A

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My feeble bid for this SF Wing didn't even come close to the ending bid of $2248.00 for those of you that were following this piece. This SF Wing is actually a genuine period piece that is pictured on Les Hughes website of www.insigne.org and labeled as, " B. From a veteran of the Operation Group". A link was provided by ocsfollowme in the above post # 14 but it seems a number of collectors missed this because the the wing in question is a little worn and crooked as it may have been damaged slightly when it was originally removed from the uniform it was sewn upon. In addition the light blue threads of the initials SF on the back of this wing had come unraveled slightly.

 

For future reference the first WW2 Chinese Commando SSI sold for $768.00 and is pictured below:

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Dang. Big bucks.

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I hate to see this subject just dropped without further explanation. We had several well respected contributors offer their opinion that the OSS wing in question was a reproduction. Then another highly respected collector indicated that he thought that the wing was authentic. It sold to someone who obviously thought it was the real deal as it sold for over $2200.00. That is a small fortune to pay for a patch that is not in the best of shape. I still have my doubts about it as I am sure other collectors do. So can we continue this discussion as to why it is the real deal or why it is a copy? I recall someone saying, "buy the item - not the story".

 

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I chose my words very carefully in the post I made about this wing :). I said I didn't like it...not that it was a reproduction. The two types that I personally am comfortable with are the ones I mentioned. I've actually acquired both of these types from the families of OSS veterans, and they also appear in period photographic evidence. Yes the Ebay wing style appears in the collection of a well respected authority with an attribution. That may very well be accurate and true, but for me personally...I will stick with what I know. Especially when such large sums are involved. Others obviously thought the wing was real, and I don't dispute that at all. Perhaps they know something I don't, or have received this style from a first hand source. We are all constantly learning. Actually...congrats to the buyer! My two cents...

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I believe the SF wing in question is genuine based on the research done by Les Hughes which he wrote about in various sources like the ASMIC Trading Post (July Sept 1988), Chute & Dagger Newsletter as well as his own website www.insigne.org. Here is his current photograph grouping from his website of various genuine SF wings that he has come across over the years. As I mentioned before the SF Wing pictured below under, " B. From a veteran of the Operation Group" is the same SF wing variant that recently sold for $2248.00.

 

 

 

 

 

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His Type A and Type C are the two styles I mentioned above...I know these to be original based on first hand experience and photographic evidence. As I said, that is simply my personal threshold and would also form the basis of any personal recommendation I gave to another collector.

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I collect OSS insignia and have been following the research by Les Hughes in my search for genuine SF wings. I kept an early photograph (see below) published by Les Hughes of the three cloth variants that he found amongst veterans of the OSS which he considered the only genuine wings based on his documented research. I have used this photograph over the years in my search for SF wings. I found the top one first which is the most abundant that you come across and I found the middle one which is the next most abundant one that you encounter. This was many years ago when you could buy these wings for 300 to 500 dollars. The bottom one is the variant that sold for $2248.00 which I have never come across for sale until now. Since I have been looking now for years I can say that the bottom one is the hardest one to find. I don't think I will ever find one now at these ridiculously high prices.

 

 

 

 

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I have come across this variant SF wing in a grouping that once belonged to OSS Captain Edward S. Halbert. I don't know who owns this grouping but I kept photographs of this grouping off of a UK Forum.

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Here is a close up of this SF wing variant that came out of this grouping belonging to Capt. Edward S. Halbert and matches the one that sold for $2248.00. This is why I felt the SF wing on eBay was genuine.

 

 

 

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Thanks Dennis,

I am now seeing some clarity in this discussion. Here are several examples that I have that are similar to the one in question. I can see by your examples why you feel the wing that originally began this thread is genuine and you offer good rationale. I would appreciate your evaluation of these three wings since one looks pretty close in workmanship. I will post the reverse side in the next slide. Thanks for your input.

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Getting these photos to compress is a challenge, but here is the back side of the above three. Your honest opinions are appreciated. Good, bad or questionable? I am here to learn and this is by far the best opportunity. Thanks.

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12C Coro Senior clutchback (with star).                            CREST CRAFT Sterling EIB & CIB

CrestCraft 14C Master w/bubble canopy CB.                    Denmark’s Sterling 2nd Award D22

Emblem Supply 1E Senior pinback                                      Wilbur Kiff Co Attleboro Ma. Sterling

GP General Products Master CB                                          D&H Manufacturing, provenance RI

Military Post Supply M21/MPS-21 Senior CB                 C.P. Company NYC 1P C. Polk New York

Robbins Senior pinback                                                       Gemsco Sterling 3rd award

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Thanks Dennis,

I am now seeing some clarity in this discussion. Here are several examples that I have that are similar to the one in question. I can see by your examples why you feel the wing that originally began this thread is genuine and you offer good rationale. I would appreciate your evaluation of these three wings since one looks pretty close in workmanship. I will post the reverse side in the next slide. Thanks for your input.

Well your middle wing is the rare one which just sold for $2248.00. I have not come across the other two. The following are just my opinions. The bottom bullion wing looks genuine as I'm guessing it would be very difficult to duplicate the wear pattern on the back like the paper becoming brittle due possibly to age with missing bits along the edging maybe due to repeated laundering as well as the remnants of stitching and the patina of the bullion. Now your top wing I don't like as I have come across a fake bullion SF wing in the past that has the same vertical red colored ribbed center that was supposedly made recently in Pakistan.

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