Burning Hazard Posted February 14, 2020 Share #1 Posted February 14, 2020 Thoughts on this one? https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Helmet-US-M1-101EME-Airborne-Original-506-Th-WW2-Ardennes-Germany-39-45/164080586368?hash=item2633f70e80:g:qs8AAOSwOX1eQWoE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share #2 Posted February 14, 2020 pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share #3 Posted February 14, 2020 pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted February 14, 2020 pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadawg Posted February 14, 2020 Share #5 Posted February 14, 2020 Me personally as a younger collector, I don't think I will ever trust an airborne lid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rooster Posted February 14, 2020 Share #6 Posted February 14, 2020 I dont know, but ive been told, Airborne Helmets with Schluter stamps are false gold. I read that Schleuters were not used as airborne lids just McCords. I might have read that on the forum here ? Saint Clair liner. Those are not airborne chin straps on the shell either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanJ Posted February 14, 2020 Share #7 Posted February 14, 2020 For that kind of money, it would need to come with the paratrooper that wore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC-RECON0321 Posted February 14, 2020 Share #8 Posted February 14, 2020 I see the seller is in France, so if this helmet was legit there would be a waiting list to purchase it. It would never make to eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 14, 2020 Share #9 Posted February 14, 2020 I see the seller is in France, so if this helmet was legit there would be a waiting list to purchase it. It would never make to eBay. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccauslandpara1944 Posted February 14, 2020 Share #10 Posted February 14, 2020 The painted top layer insignia doesn't look very old to me and the second layer insignia looks like it was purposely colored slightly different to give it some age. I would not buy this one. I also think if it was real, it would sell for a lot more than the seller is asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted February 14, 2020 Share #11 Posted February 14, 2020 I read that Schleuters were not used as airborne lids just McCords. Schleuter did not manufacturer M1C helmets. However it is possible that someone in an airborne unit could have been issued a regular ole Schleuter M1 shell and a jump liner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted February 15, 2020 My best guess that it's an elaborate fake, a really good one too. Someone has been doing their homework and knows that 101st AB helmets were campaign repainted and went for that look; these fakers are doing their homework. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share #13 Posted February 15, 2020 Another footage shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 15, 2020 Share #14 Posted February 15, 2020 My best guess that it's an elaborate fake, a really good one too. Someone has been doing their homework and knows that 101st AB helmets were campaign repainted and went for that look; these fakers are doing their homework. Pat and its a swivel bail.This brings up the age old question of how prevalent were swivel baisl in the ETO but more specific to the 101st? We have a unit who went from Normandy to Holland to Belgium and beyond.Photos do depict as well as documentation the markings changed size and were covered etc.To my thinking it would be more in line with a helmet of older manufacture/issue to be repainted etc.D-bail or fixed bail.The argument can be made for replacement troops having newer helmets/swivel bales but its still a stretch to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPerry Posted February 15, 2020 Share #15 Posted February 15, 2020 Ron. You should check with Brandos. 101st helmets with provenance Swivel bales. Fairly common in the 101st after Holland. I could send you an invitation to his Facebook group. Bob Carter could also weigh in. Brando has called him the preeminent 101st collector in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken88 Posted February 15, 2020 Share #16 Posted February 15, 2020 Ron. You should check with Brandos. 101st helmets with provenance Swivel bales. Fairly common in the 101st after Holland. I could send you an invitation to his Facebook group. Bob Carter could also weigh in. Brando has called him the preeminent 101st collector in the country. You mean Mark Bando? I'm pretty confident Bando is going to dislike this one. While it is possible that a handful of 506th PIR helmets survived the war, it is very unlikely that such a rare helmet, with a 2nd battalion tic mark no less, is going to pop up for sale on eBay, as others have stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPerry Posted February 15, 2020 Share #17 Posted February 15, 2020 Ken. My comment only in regard to whether swivel bales were used. I wouldnt touch this helmet. 101st helmets are sold privately and would never reach the market like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted February 15, 2020 Share #18 Posted February 15, 2020 WALK AWAY---------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share #19 Posted February 16, 2020 101st Airborne did have swivel bail helmets, 2 from Mark Bando's collection (note the 502nd is rear seam) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share #20 Posted February 16, 2020 Swivel Bail being by Paratrooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 16, 2020 Share #21 Posted February 16, 2020 Swivel Bail being by Paratrooper 17th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted February 16, 2020 Share #22 Posted February 16, 2020 every para lid that comes along, you have to question. even the 504th lids used during the home coming n.y. parade in 46. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share #23 Posted February 16, 2020 17th? Not sure if 17th or 501st, I was leaning toward 501st because of the Mohawk haircut. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Gecko Posted February 16, 2020 Share #24 Posted February 16, 2020 The mohawk paratrooper picture is from the Robert Capa series on the 17th Airborne Division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Gecko Posted February 16, 2020 Share #25 Posted February 16, 2020 Here is another picture from the same series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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