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Hi Guys,

 

I'm not intending to bid on this one, I have doubts on it and wanted to have your opinions as well.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-17th-airborne-513th-Parachute-PIR-grouping-named/392663082161?hash=item5b6c8b24b1:g:ZmUAAOSwce1eMqQf

 

Firstly it is an extensive grouping, with a lot of shiny attractive bits.

 

Secondly the set up for a 513th vet is leaving me a little skeptical. 82nd Combat patch on right shoulder, although he fought in Belgium and jumped on Varsity with the 17th. Plus, I wouldn't expect a Dutch lanyard on it.

No available pics of the laundry marks.

 

Just noticed the seller's update at the bottom of the description indicating that the scanned photos sets actually belonged to a 681st GFAB scrapbook.

 

Looking at the various pics and the description I believe the vet to be Jack N. Davis, rump 63443235.

 

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This seller has had soma particularly interesting Airborne items in the past.

 

The set may be completely genuine, happy to discuss :)

 

Cheers in advance

JEB

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the laces on the boots are replacements should be rawhide---- a word of caution-------------- when dealing with airborne, ask questions before jumping. like medic helmets for say, airborne uniforms are humped a lot. it looks good and clean but, there are those here who specialize in airborne that can give info better then me.

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I wonder if those are jump boots. Going by the pictures they dont appear to have bevelled heels. I'm also missing the oblique stitching patterns at the sides.

 

Rene

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I had a 513th guy that came home with the 82nd. I believe it was an unmolested Ike, and it had the Orange Belgian lanyard.

Looking for the following:

452nd and 447th Bomb Group items

Anything 12th Armored- especially uniforms

155th Assault Helicopter Company, Camp Coryell, or Ban Me Thuot Vietnam items[/center]


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I wonder if those are jump boots. Going by the pictures they dont appear to have bevelled heels. I'm also missing the oblique stitching patterns at the sides.

 

Rene

 

12 eyelets...jump boots that were re heeled in my thinking.Seen it done often where the soles/heels replaced and the heel wasn't beveled.

 

The brown army combat boot was contracted with 11 eyelets.

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Here is pic from listing.The half sole is there but its not the typical issue sole.Eith resolded or a private purchase boot

 

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Lieutenant J.Kostelec 1-3 First Special Service Force MIA/PD 4 March 1944 Italy
I HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND IT IS DAYLIGHT
Forget about the tips..We'll get hell to pay (AC/DC)
"If you cant get out and run with the big dogs then sit on the porch and bark at the cars going by.."

Have you Hugged a Clown Today?

You Cant Get A Sun Tan On The Moon..





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I'm surprise to discover that the scan copy of the pics came from my own collection !!!

They belonged to a paratrooper who served with the 377th PFAB during the Bulge then in the 681st GFAB/17th AB for Varsity and the Central Europe campaign then once again in the 101st AB after the VE Day.

It is absolutely not part of this grouping. I have informed the seller and he has added this comment on eBay.

 

The Dutch lanyard as no sense on this Ike !

 

Richard

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Had a momentary lapse in my above comment... Orange=Dutch of course!

Looking for the following:

452nd and 447th Bomb Group items

Anything 12th Armored- especially uniforms

155th Assault Helicopter Company, Camp Coryell, or Ban Me Thuot Vietnam items[/center]


WWII US Navy Uniforms from the Battle Off Samar: USS Johnston DD-557, USS Hoel DD-553, USS Samuel B. Roberts DE-413, USS Heermann DD-532, USS Dennis DE-405, USS John C. Butler DE-339, USS Raymond DE-341, USS Fanshaw Bay St. Lo, White Plains, Kalinin Bay, Kitkun Bay and Gambier Bay...


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I'm surprise to discover that the scan copy of the pics came from my own collection !!!

They belonged to a paratrooper who served with the 377th PFAB during the Bulge then in the 681st GFAB/17th AB for Varsity and the Central Europe campaign then once again in the 101st AB after the VE Day.

It is absolutely not part of this grouping. I have informed the seller and he has added this comment on eBay.

 

The Dutch lanyard as no sense on this Ike !

 

Richard

Wow, I had been watching this and the 11th airborne uniform the seller also has listed with some intrest, but if he used scans of pictures from someone else's collection then I wouldn't touch these with a 10 ft pole, thanks for sharing that.

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I'd guess first... those are next of kin tags. Later on they deleted that information.

Looking for the following:

452nd and 447th Bomb Group items

Anything 12th Armored- especially uniforms

155th Assault Helicopter Company, Camp Coryell, or Ban Me Thuot Vietnam items[/center]


WWII US Navy Uniforms from the Battle Off Samar: USS Johnston DD-557, USS Hoel DD-553, USS Samuel B. Roberts DE-413, USS Heermann DD-532, USS Dennis DE-405, USS John C. Butler DE-339, USS Raymond DE-341, USS Fanshaw Bay St. Lo, White Plains, Kalinin Bay, Kitkun Bay and Gambier Bay...


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I don't know how many next-of-kin tags this guy had, but I bought one on ebay a couple of years ago. No attribution to an airborne vet. No attribution to any unit at all. Another one sold on ebay in December 2019. Identical tag, but again no information on the vet. Here's what I have found on him:

 

Born in Illinois in 1917; lived at 102 West Cook in Springfield, Illinois in 1940 and was a divorced electrician with one year of college; Mollie Davis was his mother; entered service on January 15, 1943 at Peoria; stood 5’-8” and weighed 142 pounds

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Please explain to me why there is 122 watchers on this group? Gregg

It has the word Airborne in the title. Regardless of if original people will bid.

Check out my eBay page, I sell military insignia and just about anything else I come across

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Please check out my web page as well for more items for sale

 

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It has the word Airborne in the title. Regardless of if original people will bid.

 

So, where were the 122 watchers when it came to bidding? I had no dog in this hunt, I am just surprised that there are so many collectors watching an item on eBay with no intention in bidding. Either they are incredibly nosy or they are "all talk and no go". Gregg

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Hi All and thanks for chipping in!

 

Wow just under a grand.. 38 bids, 13 Bidders; I don't necessarily look at other auctions' bidding wars, but that is a good hit!

A while back I was bidding on a patch A2 jacket to an 82nd Officer, with same figures 17 bidders, 32 bids..

 

Serious ebayer got the final word, for what I believe to be, a lot of money...

 

Thanks again

 

Kind regards

JEB

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So, where were the 122 watchers when it came to bidding? I had no dog in this hunt, I am just surprised that there are so many collectors watching an item on eBay with no intention in bidding. Either they are incredibly nosy or they are "all talk and no go". Gregg

 

Youd be shocked the amount of watchers on items. I had 52 watchers an early Aviation jacket and it went for $10.50. Theres no simple answer

Check out my eBay page, I sell military insignia and just about anything else I come across

Link: https://www.ebay.com/sch/fitzkeemilitaria/m.html?item=223497878518&hash=item340982fbf6%3Ag%3ASs4AAOSw-llcxhqe&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

 

Please check out my web page as well for more items for sale

 

https://fitzkeemilitaria.com/

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So, where were the 122 watchers when it came to bidding? I had no dog in this hunt, I am just surprised that there are so many collectors watching an item on eBay with no intention in bidding. Either they are incredibly nosy or they are "all talk and no go". Gregg

 

I watch auctions I have no intention of bidding on all the time. Sometimes just to see how the auction plays out. Other times because I have a similar item, and want to get a sense of value. Yes, I'm being nosy, but it only takes a click to follow, so no harm, no foul. Half the time I forget about it until long after the auction has ended.

 

Obviously this group piqued quite a few peoples interest; 628 views on this post alone.

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