jmd62 Posted December 12, 2019 Share #1 Posted December 12, 2019 Hey guys, I was looking at a Garand stock for sale with the stamps shown below. Any thoughts in regards to their authenticity? The order is backward from what I've seen as well, but maybe there were exceptions? Thanks! James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdk0911 Posted December 12, 2019 Share #2 Posted December 12, 2019 I'm not liking what I'm seeing - don't like the bottom of the S as it has 2 lines? here is an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd62 Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted December 12, 2019 It almost looks like it was stamped twice, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdk0911 Posted December 13, 2019 Share #4 Posted December 13, 2019 if a double strike then why only at the bottom - maybe others can chime in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted December 13, 2019 Share #5 Posted December 13, 2019 On the top picture, only the 'S' would appear to be double-struck. I'd want to see some other examples but at first glance the top picture doesn't look too bad, even though the order of the stampings is reversed. It would be nice to see the whole stock on this one to give an opinion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd62 Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share #6 Posted December 13, 2019 Here ya go, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted December 13, 2019 Share #7 Posted December 13, 2019 Here ya go, thanks! Capture.JPG Okay. IMHO, so far so good, but hard to say without actually handling the wood.....is there a shot of the 'P' on the wrist...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd62 Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share #8 Posted December 13, 2019 Sure thing : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted December 13, 2019 Share #9 Posted December 13, 2019 The P looks pretty legit.....Well, I'd want to see what others might say but to my eyes it seems okay. It all looks pretty good.....I think the stock has been worked on a little to clean it up to a degree but all in all it seems okay. Is there a small ordnance wheel stamped into the heel of the stock...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd62 Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share #10 Posted December 13, 2019 Thanks for your take, much appreciated. Yes, there is the little ordnance wheel stamped in the heel, but pretty worn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdk0911 Posted December 13, 2019 Share #11 Posted December 13, 2019 If the S shows a double stamp then why not the other letters - the stamp mold has ALL the letters and not just the S. So did someone in 1943 to 1945 had only a S stamp - I highly doubt that so wouldn't we see some double stamp on the A and the G and the A and the W and the border ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted December 13, 2019 Share #12 Posted December 13, 2019 If the S shows a double stamp then why not the other letters - the stamp mold has ALL the letters and not just the S. So did someone in 1943 to 1945 had only a S stamp - I highly doubt that so wouldn't we see some double stamp on the A and the G and the A and the W and the border ?? Well, that's the question. When I look at the photo, all I can see on the cartouche is the S with a portion of a double imprint. The 'why' could be simply how whoever had the mallet and the dies didn't strike it or position it well enough, who knows. Some of these cartouches are really deep on one end and barely show up on the other.....it all came down to how steady the workers hand was when it was done, and many look like they were done in haste....close enough was all they needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted December 13, 2019 Share #13 Posted December 13, 2019 Thanks for your take, much appreciated. Yes, there is the little ordnance wheel stamped in the heel, but pretty worn. Ok, good. Pretty sure most if not all of the GAW stocks had that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd62 Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share #14 Posted December 13, 2019 Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persian Gulf Command Posted December 14, 2019 Share #15 Posted December 14, 2019 I need to point out that the top of the "G" also shows a double strike on the inside of the top loop. This indicate a slight "bounce" that occurred to the stamp in this area when the imprint was made. This is likely where the most force was transferred during the hammer strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd62 Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share #16 Posted December 14, 2019 Good eye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottodog8 Posted December 15, 2019 Share #17 Posted December 15, 2019 I would have doubts. Especially in the pic of the whole stock, the stamp looks awfully crisp in relation to the overall condition of the stock. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd62 Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share #18 Posted December 15, 2019 These M1 Garand stocks, with cartouches, sure are a tough call these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collector Posted December 15, 2019 Share #19 Posted December 15, 2019 I've always thought this site has the best info on real vs. fake. Good stuff in there, describes the fake stamps we all see everywhere now. http://www.trfindley.com/pgsnstmpsm1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike D Posted December 15, 2019 Share #20 Posted December 15, 2019 I'm with Otto, and it almost looks like a rebuild stamp further back on the butt? Does look like other signs of an overstamp. Seek out Rick B on other forums. His word would be the only one I would trust. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd62 Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share #21 Posted December 15, 2019 Thanks Mike! I was contemplating buying it but it has since sold. No big though, Id rather find a one looker in the end. In the mean time Ill keep learning : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 18, 2019 Share #22 Posted December 18, 2019 I've always thought this site has the best info on real vs. fake. Good stuff in there, describes the fake stamps we all see everywhere now. http://www.trfindley.com/pgsnstmpsm1.html He uses"fake" stamps to do a so called restoartaion. He does not have original stamps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted December 18, 2019 Share #23 Posted December 18, 2019 MAN, WHEN IT COMES TO STOCKS, YOU BETTER WATCH IT. I HAVE SEEN MANY GET ROYALLY SCREWED BUYING REPRO CRAP PASSED OFF AS THE REAL DEAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd62 Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share #24 Posted December 18, 2019 Thanks guys, it sure is a minefield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnhem44mad Posted December 22, 2019 Share #25 Posted December 22, 2019 Look on the pistol grip for the small cross cannons. This will help you determine. If there's no sign then 100% repro. Otherwise you need to take the butt plate off and have a look for stamps on the butt under the plate. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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