bldrhouse Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 are either of these WWII issue? thanks! z Link to post Share on other sites
6th.MG.BN Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Second one looks OK, looking at the one picture. Ken Link to post Share on other sites
Persian Gulf Command Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 The first one is not correct. I don't believe the second is original as well but would need to see a better coloe-up of the water proof material and the heating seams along both ends to confirm my suspicions. Link to post Share on other sites
bldrhouse Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 Men, Thank you. These are photos from the auction site, so no way to get better or closer images. z Link to post Share on other sites
Bodes Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Originals contained rectangular shaped containers.....One for the dressing, one for the syrette....I cannot make out the appropriate flatness of the dressing box with clarity in either pouch....So based solely on the single photo of each, I'd be cautious about originality....Bodes Link to post Share on other sites
Allan H. Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 I'm with Bodes on these. I am not a fan of either one of them. Allan Never under-estimate the power of prayer. Link to post Share on other sites
bldrhouse Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 THANKS! Too easy to get excited and then be sorry... can someone post some pix of an original for future info? z Link to post Share on other sites
ken88 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Here's a picture of the one I have. Unfortunately it's not in the best condition but it is an original. Look for the details... "The battle belonged that morning to the thin wet line of khaki that dragged itself ashore on the channel coast of France." - General Omar Bradley. Link to post Share on other sites
bldrhouse Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 thank you, and fine photos! z Link to post Share on other sites
ken88 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 No problem... To further help in discerning authentic kits, here's a blatant fake on eBay, sold as original. https://www.ebay.com/itm/113996992786 This is probably one that was made by The Rigger Depot, then aged by someone in the hopes of making a quick dollar. This is a mighty fine reproduction and may easily be mistaken for the real thing once it has been aged. Buyer, beware. "The battle belonged that morning to the thin wet line of khaki that dragged itself ashore on the channel coast of France." - General Omar Bradley. Link to post Share on other sites
WWII Parachutist Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Quite similar to ours, but not actually The Rigger Depot reproduction. Slightly different material and construction. For reference, here is what ours look like. When used and aged, our repros do look original though.www.theriggerdepot.com/parachute-first-aid-packet-2nd-version www.theriggerdepot.com - Replica WWII Parachute Gear Link to post Share on other sites
bldrhouse Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 I emailed the ebay seller above and asked for provenance; has offered more pix and to see it if I am local. be interesting to see what he says.. I'm not buying it, but like to bust fakes. z Link to post Share on other sites
Persian Gulf Command Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Here are a few photos of my correct WW2 kit. Notice the "bleeding" of the heated rubber often seen on the bottom seam. You can also observe the weave of the material used for correct kits. Link to post Share on other sites
Persian Gulf Command Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 More: Link to post Share on other sites
Persian Gulf Command Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 More: Link to post Share on other sites
Persian Gulf Command Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Kit and contents: Link to post Share on other sites
Persian Gulf Command Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Here is another photo of the seam and good detail of the material, which I consider an important indicators of an original Parachute First Aid Kit: Note: this is a photo from my file > I do not possess this item. Link to post Share on other sites
bldrhouse Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 I really appreciate all you who share your knowledge, experience and collections. the eBay seller says his item came from the estate of some former military man, but have not further replied. Have you all looked carefully at the other images of the stitching and details of edges? z Link to post Share on other sites
firefighter Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 How much value is knocked off if you open a kit that ends up being original? ASMIC #1098 Link to post Share on other sites
Bodes Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 How much value is knocked off if you open a kit that ends up being original? 25-30%....Bodes Link to post Share on other sites
firefighter Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 25-30%....Bodes Thank you. I actually thought it would be more, still a chunk though. ASMIC #1098 Link to post Share on other sites
SeaDog30 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Here are a few photos of my correct WW2 kit. Notice the "bleeding" of the heated rubber often seen on the bottom seam. You can also observe the weave of the material used for correct kits. Are the originals waterproof? I always thought they were made of the same material like the map purse fabric but your original looks more like fabric. Thanks for the great info! Link to post Share on other sites
Persian Gulf Command Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 These Parachute First Aid Kits were made of a Water Proof textile. The cloth had a latex (rubber) coating on the interior side. This latex would have made the cloth water proof. However, unlike other waterproof material such as poncho material these Kits were designed to be torn open for easy access of the contents. A rain proof poncho was designed to be rip resistant so the weave of the material was tighter and stronger. This is why the repro Kits made of old poncho material can be distinguished from original Parachute First Aid Kits. I checked my Map Purse and the material also has a latex coating but the textile has a slightly tighter weave than that of the First Aid Kit. Here are two photos of each with the Parachute First Aid Kit on the left and the Map Purse on the right. Link to post Share on other sites
Persian Gulf Command Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Second comaprison First Aid Kit/Map Purse: Link to post Share on other sites
dustin Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Crude rubber and especially latex were critical war materials and were not used in the manuafcture of these kits nor ponchos and most all waterproofed goods. The rubberized type membrane you are seeing is often simply referred to as Plasticized. Technically, these parachute kits and most all other items you see with the rubber like membrane is a Vinyl Chloride-Acetate Copolymer, or Vinylite to keep it short. A synthetic waterproofing method. The parachute packets were constructed of a woven cotton print cloth, dyed with a waterfast olive drab. Then plasticized on one side. Money Purses (Evasion & Escape) were treated the same way. Resident inspectors would test for waterproofing by submerging the sealed kits in warm water for four hours, then open. All contents were required to be dry upon opening for inspection, then that lot would be passed. Visit: https://wwiisurvivalequipment.com/ Link to post Share on other sites
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