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I have stumbled across a presentation XC serialized M1 Carbine and have heard through the grape vine that there is a list out there of who the rifles were presented to. I know the one reference book was written by Max Hayward, but it seems to be pretty well impossible to find. If anyone is aware of where I could get the list or if anyone has it I would appreciate some input. Seems to be kind of difficult to find any information past the fact that is was a presentation piece made for someone at General Motors Corp.

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GF97:

 

Yes, I understand that the original Hayward book, written by a guy who was once an engineer at Inland, is now pretty much unobtanium.

 

Nonetheless, you might want to post your question over on the Carbine Club forum, where the M1 Carbine guys now hang out with the demise of the Club itself. Here is the link: http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/forums.html

There are a lot of very well informed M1 Carbine collectors over there, some of whom are members here as well, who can probably answer your question.

 

Would you mind posting a pic or two of your Carbine here? Sounds interesting, and we all like to see nice examples.

 

Regards,

Charlie

 

 

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Here's a link to some information about the XC M1 Carbines that might help you, but I'm not sure.

 

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=42604

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And the serial number. The entire rifle is Inland minus the oiler and sling, which must have been added later. Clean and original! Just noticed the C almost looks like a G in the photo. It is definitely a C.

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In the late 1950's we went to the gun club with a friends M-1 carbine and fired off all the ammo we had. Dumb. The friends father was the factory manager for Quality Hardware and at the close of the WW2 carbine contract he was given this example as a gift. It was mint and unfired till his son and I got it. 50 years later I visited the sons widow and saw the same QH carbine. It never recieved a serial number. She had a lot of factory photos and letters relating to the production and the Chicago Ordnance District. She gave me the stuff to copy and it made an interesting look into WW2 production. I showed it to several people at the Baltimore show but the next step never happened. The family kept the M-1 for the grandkids.

Illinigander

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In the late 1950's we went to the gun club with a friends M-1 carbine and fired off all the ammo we had. Dumb. The friends father was the factory manager for Quality Hardware and at the close of the WW2 carbine contract he was given this example as a gift. It was mint and unfired till his son and I got it. 50 years later I visited the sons widow and saw the same QH carbine. It never recieved a serial number. She had a lot of factory photos and letters relating to the production and the Chicago Ordnance District. She gave me the stuff to copy and it made an interesting look into WW2 production. I showed it to several people at the Baltimore show but the next step never happened. The family kept the M-1 for the grandkids.

Illinigander

 

Illinigander,

 

Do you still have copies of the factory photos and letters?

 

David Albert

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That is a very attractive rifle, I love how it is a transitional rifle showing both mid and late war features such as the graduated sight without a bayonate catch. The fact that it is a presentation rifle is just icing on the cake. Congrats.

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I will be posting this to the carbine club forum soon, have been to busy to get it taken care of. Hopefully I can find someone with the book that will say who it was given to if it was ever presented. I took it to the Michigan antique gunshow and got no new information except for the fact that a lot of people wanted it pretty badly. I will put any new info on here as I get it.

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@GF97,

 

May I ask if your front receiver is marked M1 ? Or M2 ?.

We have to be careful with these because of coming across 'Humped Versions'.

That's why very good pics are vital of the action, receiver, trigger group etc.

Some have gone so far as grinding off the serial number, stamping a new one and refinishing.

 

I can give you a few links to look/study up on, that might give you an idea why the guys at the gun show wanted to buy.

As stated above join and post on the uscarbinecal30 DOT com site. Find Dan... aka New2brass.

Also show the Milsurps gang in the M1/M2 forum.

I can be found on both... using the same username.

 

I hope you find these interesting.... I believe you'll find there were different levels on Presentations. Some were custom with the finest parts and wood available. Some with polished blue finishes. Others were put together with what was on hand.

Custom cases for some that included name tags, cleaning rod kit, magazine, sling and oiler.. etc.

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/51/3621/inland-m1-carbine-30-m1-carbine

 

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/inland-with-sn-of-x-g-9_topic4285.html

 

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/ogca-2018-inland-presentation-carbine-x81_topic3470.html

 

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/71/1578/documented-presentation-grade-gm-executive-inland-m1-carbine

 

https://www.icollector.com/item.aspx?i=9752512

 

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=42604&page=1

 

 

Regards,

Charlie-Painter777

Living FREE because of those that served.

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@ccyooper,

No..

Been out of state flipping a house my Daughter bought.

Sure missing Michigan, just gotta hang in there until the end of the month.

 

Cheers,

Charlie-Painter777

Living FREE because of those that served.

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Inland XC 48 and XC 49 have been located and as of 2006 were owned by the same person.

They were at the Carbine show in Bhama.

More info available........

 

Regards,

Charlie-Painter777

Living FREE because of those that served.

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@Painter 777,

 

The receiver is marked M1. So far nothing seems out of place as far as originality goes. Definitely no grinding or tampering with the metal or wood. Thanks for the links that's helping bring things into focus for sure. That's pretty neat that someone has the next two rifles. I'll be seeing you on the other forums I suppose. Thanks again Charlie.

 

Regards,

Garet Fix

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GF,

Do you know any previous to your buying it background on your XC 47?

Are you or do you know if it has any connection to the Kettering, Ohio.... Near Dayton area?

Does your stock show any sign of having had a Brass tag attached to the bottom of the pistol grip?

I'll explain more later....... My notes and files are at home, so not available to me right now.

When you get a chance take good detailed pictures. They'll be asked for.

 

Feel free to PM me if better suited

 

Regards,

Charlie-Painter777

Living FREE because of those that served.

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So I got some information on the rifle. It was presented to Edward F. Fisher of the Fisher body division at general motors. It appears as though he was a VP at GM and was the general manager of the Fisher body division during the war. They apparently made armament for land sea and air. Pretty neat that the information is still out there and that people are willing to share. Thanks for helping me along in the process fellas.

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In the late 20's Edward Fisher built a mansion with 269 rooms that his wife didn't like. Sold it off and is now Fords proving grounds:

See reply #6:

https://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthread.php?20585-Ford-Motor-Michigan-Proving-Grounds-Edward-Fisher-Estate-Mansion-Romeo

 

Inland and Fisher Body were both part of GM. Edward Fisher had a hand in both GM and Fisher Body before retiring in 1944. Fisher Body and Inland were intertwined in parts for tanks, trucks, planes and other goods like steering wheels.. etc.

 

Fisher Body and Inland Div during WWII:

http://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/Fisher%20Body/fisherbodydatabase.htm

http://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/General%20Motors/inland.htm

 

Edward and his brothers built the Fisher Building in Detroit.

Interesting to see who Edward Fishers neighbors were back in the day.

Wonder if Ty Cobb or Joe Louis were shown XC-47 ?

 

https://historicbostonedison.org/Significant-Residents-of-BE

 

Later,

Charlie-Painter777

 

 

 

 

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Thanks a lot Charlie-Painter777. That's a lot of good information to stow away. Those are some big name neighbors as well! I'm hoping to find some pictures of Edward with the rifle. My dad happens to know the guy that maintains the elevator at the Fisher building so maybe there's a picture somewhere or maybe the Fisher family has something? I'd like to get as much info as possible. I would like to get it appraised with proof of it's presentation to Edward. Not even sure what it's worth at this point, and not sure if his name being attached to it will help that number, but I would assume it wouldn't hurt.

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