mortaydc60 Posted October 22, 2019 Share #1 Posted October 22, 2019 This item ended recently but did not see any posting on forum about it. Item # 254384416589. could not dowload image. Looked OK on front but the back had white material instead of the accepted black cloth, Sold for mid $300 and was in poor condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake1941 Posted October 22, 2019 Share #2 Posted October 22, 2019 This was discussed here already, Im pretty sure it was legit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne-Hunter Posted October 22, 2019 Share #3 Posted October 22, 2019 That looks like that white synthetic stabilizer material on the back...I've never seen a WW2 patch with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake1941 Posted October 22, 2019 Share #4 Posted October 22, 2019 http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/333672-us-wwii-29th-infantry-division-ranger-insignia-tab/?fromsearch=1 Link to the old thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocsfollowme Posted October 22, 2019 Share #5 Posted October 22, 2019 http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/79218-29th-rangers-patch/?hl=%2B29th+%2Branger&do=findComment&comment=576444 From what it went for and for the publicity that was seen on the forum and based upon construction vs the above link I would think it is not legit. My two cents: patch made to look aged and original seller from grouping hoped it would fetch $2500 but it went for $400 or so. But that is my opinion and worth maybe a free coffee if your in Orange County in my neighborhood. Also, I misplaced my ranger book from the Kellers so I am only going off of forum photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger Posted October 23, 2019 Share #6 Posted October 23, 2019 IMO the shoulder title is a trash bin piece based on materials used to produce. As an Orginal period English made piece, this title is flawed in every way from embroidery to backing. Embroidery is to thick and font is off for the time period specifically the number 9, H, N, G and S. Backing material isn't something used by the English during WWII. CDub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Scott Posted October 23, 2019 Share #7 Posted October 23, 2019 I agree with Gunslinger that the one that started this post is not real.Here is one that has not been worked on and made to look like it's original and off of a jacket or shirt.Scotty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortaydc60 Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share #8 Posted October 23, 2019 Apparently this was discussed in the What’s it Worth section; there the feeling was it was real and a steal. In this section it was trashed. I think it is bad mainly due to back construction. Most feel more comfortable with a black back. This is not to say that there is none with white on back. Have seen and had well known British dealer/ manufacturer say so. Believe it or not there is a bullion believe made in Belgium in existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted October 23, 2019 Share #9 Posted October 23, 2019 We have an identified example from the family of a L/116 soldier who was KIA on 6 June in the 116th Regiment Museum collection, however it is in a framed mount that currently does not allow access to the back of the tab to reveal how the back looks. I will look into how hard it would be to sneek a peek and hopefully report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarheel1 Posted October 24, 2019 Share #10 Posted October 24, 2019 Having been involved with direct embroidery and commercial production in the past, If you will look at the back in photo #6. The take up backing (white part) is the kind used currently & relatively currently. Its a solid fiber construction. Just look at the back of any baseball cap made in the past 20 years and you will see the same take up material. (I would post an example of what I am referencing but I have a popsicle headache from trying to resize the photo). If you look at the example that Scotty shows in post #7 that is the proper weave take up material. Hope this helps. TH1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarheel1 Posted October 24, 2019 Share #11 Posted October 24, 2019 Let me see if this worked to a point it is viewable. TH1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaOps Posted October 24, 2019 Share #12 Posted October 24, 2019 Not an original tab / title in my opinion. I compared it to 30 or so British WW2 titles I own and none were of similar construction. Attached is a photo of two original titles. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted October 24, 2019 Share #13 Posted October 24, 2019 Not an original tab / title in my opinion. I compared it to 30 or so British WW2 titles I own and none were of similar construction. Attached is a photo of two original titles. Paul Paul, do you have a shot of the front side of these tabs...? It would be nice to see that too. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warroom1 Posted October 24, 2019 Share #14 Posted October 24, 2019 Sent everforword pics of my 29thth rangers Tabs for the this post for comarason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted October 24, 2019 Share #15 Posted October 24, 2019 Okay, here is the front shot of warroom1's Ranger tab for all to see and compare.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger Posted October 24, 2019 Share #16 Posted October 24, 2019 Bill, very nice title you can immediately see yours is a Genuine English production piece. It has all the aspects that is characteristic of the time period from the base material to the backing. I think some collectors focus too much on one aspect and completely overlook all other characteristics of the item. Example being black vs white stabilizer material, which is irrelevant since the British used Black, Grey, Brown, Tan or even white or could even be pasteback with or without black or any other color back threads. The key is the materials that were available and used to produce the item. Ultimately the item speak for itself, an original item will hold up to scrutiny vs a reproduction will scream fake. CDub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warroom1 Posted October 24, 2019 Share #17 Posted October 24, 2019 john also has the backs I sent. hope posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted October 24, 2019 Share #18 Posted October 24, 2019 And the back..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted October 24, 2019 Share #19 Posted October 24, 2019 I think some collectors focus too much on one aspect and completely overlook all other characteristics of the item. Example being black vs white stabilizer material, which is irrelevant since the British used Black, Grey, Brown, Tan or even white or could even be pasteback with or without black or any other color back threads. The key is the materials that were available and used to produce the item. While I understand the logic/theory behind your statement, this unit (29th Ranger Battalion) was active for only a few months in 1943 and these titles/tabs were only produced for a short time as well-- some say only one, possibly two batches of these were made, and the construction material was (more than likely) uniform throughout the run and didn't vary....thus the rarity in finding known originals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaOps Posted October 25, 2019 Share #20 Posted October 25, 2019 As Requested. No 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaOps Posted October 25, 2019 Share #21 Posted October 25, 2019 And No 2. Sorry about the red tab on red background! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaOps Posted October 25, 2019 Share #22 Posted October 25, 2019 To highlight the construction of this tab, attached is a photo of the reverse of a WW2 Parachute title. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted October 25, 2019 Share #23 Posted October 25, 2019 And No 2. Sorry about the red tab on red background! Paul: When looking at the picture you posted of the back of your two tabs, it would appear that one is slightly larger than the other-- at first thought it looks as though maybe one was trimmed closer but even when you compare the lettering between the two, one example has the length of the lettering a bit longer. Good evidence of two different batch runs perhaps....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaOps Posted October 25, 2019 Share #24 Posted October 25, 2019 Purely the camera angle. Both are the same length. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted October 25, 2019 Share #25 Posted October 25, 2019 Purely the camera angle. Both are the same length. Paul Ok, thanks for the confirmation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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