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A very sad day for aviation. Prayers for all the victims & their families.

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"I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (Message sent by 1st Lt. Clifton B. Cates. USMC, 96th Co., Soissons, 19 July 1918 - later 19th Commandant of the Marine Corps 1948-1952)

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5 now. Said it took hours to get to the pilots. Man I feel bad. You see footage of them bellying in... just ain't fair.

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Anything 12th Armored- especially uniforms

155th Assault Helicopter Company, Camp Coryell, or Ban Me Thuot Vietnam items[/center]


WWII US Navy Uniforms from the Battle Off Samar: USS Johnston DD-557, USS Hoel DD-553, USS Samuel B. Roberts DE-413, USS Heermann DD-532, USS Dennis DE-405, USS John C. Butler DE-339, USS Raymond DE-341, USS Fanshaw Bay St. Lo, White Plains, Kalinin Bay, Kitkun Bay and Gambier Bay...


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It's worse than I thought.

 

This is a full overhead photo of the crash site.

 

From: https://abcnews.go.com/US/world-war-ii-plane-crashes-connecticut-airport/story?id=66004045&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_card_image

 

This was more than crashing into a "shed". There is a whole complex of storage tanks and industrial equipment there.

 

It's a miracle that anyone made it out alive.

 

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Sounds like an emergency landing due to engine trouble that went wrong.

Looking for the following:

452nd and 447th Bomb Group items

Anything 12th Armored- especially uniforms

155th Assault Helicopter Company, Camp Coryell, or Ban Me Thuot Vietnam items[/center]


WWII US Navy Uniforms from the Battle Off Samar: USS Johnston DD-557, USS Hoel DD-553, USS Samuel B. Roberts DE-413, USS Heermann DD-532, USS Dennis DE-405, USS John C. Butler DE-339, USS Raymond DE-341, USS Fanshaw Bay St. Lo, White Plains, Kalinin Bay, Kitkun Bay and Gambier Bay...


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Sounds like an emergency landing due to engine trouble that went wrong.

 

I don't get that, the loss of one engine shouldn't have been catastrophic. Typically the pilot(s) will isolate the dead engine, shut it down, fuel mixture to cut off, feather the prop, return on the good 3. It appears there were several other things that all went wrong in a row with horrific results, but I'm not going to speculate. Just a terrible day.

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Agreed...

Looking for the following:

452nd and 447th Bomb Group items

Anything 12th Armored- especially uniforms

155th Assault Helicopter Company, Camp Coryell, or Ban Me Thuot Vietnam items[/center]


WWII US Navy Uniforms from the Battle Off Samar: USS Johnston DD-557, USS Hoel DD-553, USS Samuel B. Roberts DE-413, USS Heermann DD-532, USS Dennis DE-405, USS John C. Butler DE-339, USS Raymond DE-341, USS Fanshaw Bay St. Lo, White Plains, Kalinin Bay, Kitkun Bay and Gambier Bay...


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C5 at Dover crashed because of one engine shut down....on final, the crew throttled back to descend, lost too much altitude, throttled up 3 throttles, one was the dead engine, the good engine, thought to be the dead engine was left at idle, so only two engines were supplying thrust ....point is..one dead engine most likely will not be a concern, it is how the crew responds afterwards...

 

the radio recording to the tower, the crew of the B-17 seemed calm when initiating the return to the airport

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the radio recording to the tower, the crew of the B-17 seemed calm when initiating the return to the airport

 

i was struck by that: Seemingly no urgency in any of the transmissions sent during that 4-minute period between engine failure and the crash


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Awful situation. When I flew in their B-24 a few years back I was impressed by the high level of professionalism demonstrated by the Collings folks. This may have significant impact on future warbird operations. Now we'll have to await the NTSB report/findings.

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Awful situation. When I flew in their B-24 a few years back I was impressed by the high level of professionalism demonstrated by the Collings folks. This may have significant impact on future warbird operations. Now we'll have to await the NTSB report/findings.

 

I agree-having flown on 3 of their planes- this is so tragic in so many ways. The Collings Foundation was extremely professional and safety was stressed on all flights I had the honor and privelage to have flown on. This tore my heart out when I heard it today and it's just gotten sadder as the day has gone by. I am so sad for those people. I know what it felt like when I first sat in the seat on the B17 and rumbled down the runway... and I know how much anxiety my wife had watching me get aboard... RIP all and may God comfort those poor people's families.

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I didn't mean to imply that it did, just the WWII footage you see of a successful belly-in.

Looking for the following:

452nd and 447th Bomb Group items

Anything 12th Armored- especially uniforms

155th Assault Helicopter Company, Camp Coryell, or Ban Me Thuot Vietnam items[/center]


WWII US Navy Uniforms from the Battle Off Samar: USS Johnston DD-557, USS Hoel DD-553, USS Samuel B. Roberts DE-413, USS Heermann DD-532, USS Dennis DE-405, USS John C. Butler DE-339, USS Raymond DE-341, USS Fanshaw Bay St. Lo, White Plains, Kalinin Bay, Kitkun Bay and Gambier Bay...


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Very sad news. The latest is there were 10 passengers and 3 crew on board, with 7 dead. Plus one person on the ground was injured. Sadly, they are having trouble identifying the victims, but they did confirm there were no children on the flight. One victims family has come forward and said their loved one and his wife were about to celebrate their wedding anniversary. The lone bright spot in this tragic event is some of the stories of heroic actions that will come out of those who were saved, including one person on the ground who rushed over to pull people out of the flaming wreckage. Looking at the photos, it's a miracle anyone survived.

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Besides the horrific human cost is the historic loss, not only of the aircraft itself, but of all the WW2 vets who signed their names on the fuselage. Thinking of those brave vets (most of whom have since passed) who signed this plane saddens me further, as that irreplaceable connection to the past is also gone.

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My wife and I were able to see and walk through the planes just a few weeks ago at the Mercer airport near Trenton. We enjoyed talking to some of the crew/volunteers. They all loved what they were doing. It really hurts thinking about all those crew and people that wanted to enjoy their experience.

 

Frank

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Matt i do not recall seeing any signatures on the fuselage of nine o nine. I do know that witchcraft the B24 has dozens upon dozens on its fuselage.

 

Maybe it was the B-24 I was thinking of, thanks.

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