cerick1450 Posted September 21, 2019 Share #1 Posted September 21, 2019 Hello I was able to pick up a number of items from the family of a Sailor from the USS Delta (AR-9) . These rate patches were in the group. As well as holiday dinner menu's and a complete drawing of the ship from side view with each deck and area listed. Anyway, these rate patches are in near mint, one white and the blue are in the original pkg. The Blue has a printed label on the back. The white are all dated 1943.. They appear to be for a carpenters mate... Are these fairly common? Are the dated and maker stamped version rare? Thank you for the help.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CTI1610 Posted September 21, 2019 Share #3 Posted September 21, 2019 You are correct in thinking the white rates are all carpenters mates. The blue one, however, is a shipfitter (a metal worker). The dates and the company mark are fairly common for that era. While it may be true that some collectors put a small premium on the original packaging, I think they are in the minority. For me, that cellophane packaging is simply a nuisance. Hope this is helpful info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerick1450 Posted September 21, 2019 Author Share #4 Posted September 21, 2019 Thank you. What is the maker for the ship fitter rate? It appears to be American ?????? CO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerick1450 Posted September 21, 2019 Author Share #5 Posted September 21, 2019 Per his military record, he was a PM1. I believe that is a Pattern Maker. So would the Carpentry and shipfitter both be appropriate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted September 21, 2019 Share #6 Posted September 21, 2019 Per his military record, he was a PM1. I believe that is a Pattern Maker. So would the Carpentry and shipfitter both be appropriate?. PM is a post 1948 Rate, with its own insignia. The WW2 rates both had many different jobs. So maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerick1450 Posted September 21, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted September 21, 2019 I found the information on PM listed on the following link. It indicates that this was from 1944.. So I just assumed it was WW2 era. It lists his rank as PM1 WW2 US Navy on his Military records... I believe he was discharged in 1945.. http://cv6.org/company/muster/organization.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted September 21, 2019 Share #8 Posted September 21, 2019 I found the information on PM listed on the following link. It indicates that this was from 1944.. So I just assumed it was WW2 era. It lists his rank as PM1 WW2 US Navy on his Military records... I believe he was discharged in 1945.. http://cv6.org/company/muster/organization.htm . Ok. Now to track down which rate he would wear. Im almost thinking it is the Carpenters Mate. But Ill check later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MastersMate Posted September 21, 2019 Share #9 Posted September 21, 2019 Agree with sigsaye. Patternmaker of WW2 wore the crossed hatchets of the Carpenter's Mate. In 1948 it was changed to an old fashioned block plane.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashdive Posted September 22, 2019 Share #10 Posted September 22, 2019 My grandfather was on the USS Delta. Please PM me as I would love to know now more about any sailor serving on board. Thanks Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashdive Posted September 22, 2019 Share #11 Posted September 22, 2019 Also could you please post photos of the rest of the grouping. Thank you again. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted September 22, 2019 Share #12 Posted September 22, 2019 My confusion comes from, prior to 1948, a First Class PM, would be written PM1/c. After 1948, PM1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted September 22, 2019 Share #13 Posted September 22, 2019 Just checked my John Stacey book. PM wore the Carpenters Mate Crossed Axes from 1917-1948. Interestingly, the Partner, to the Patternmaker, the Moulder, wore the Crossed Hammers of the Shipfitter. So, there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerick1450 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share #14 Posted September 22, 2019 Thank you for the help. Here a few pictures. First are menu's from Thangiving and Christmas 1943, then a sample of the line drawing of the ship dated 1943.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CTI1610 Posted September 22, 2019 Share #16 Posted September 22, 2019 Thank you. What is the maker for the ship fitter rate? It appears to be American ?????? CO. The maker is American Woolen Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerick1450 Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share #17 Posted September 23, 2019 Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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