Trinity Posted July 19, 2019 Share #1 Posted July 19, 2019 I have recently acquired a WW2 E.W. Stone theatre copy knife, which was made by another craftsman and not by Eugene Stone during the war. The handle has been cast to the hilt section of a M1906 Ames Cavalry Saber. What possibly makes this example more unique amongst other Stone theatre copies is that the blade is inscribed, From Sgt. J.W. Morgan / Camp J.H. Pendleton. Although this inscription in itself does not necessarily prove that Sgt. J.W. Morgan is the maker of this knife, I am wondering if there are any military history sleuths out there that might be able to find any information on this J.W. Morgan, who appears to have been stationed at Camp Pendleton at some point during WW2? If it can possibly be established that he worked in the metal shop or other industrial capacity job, it might provide ancillary proof that this knife was made by him. In any case, the skull pommel has the pig-nose configuration, which indicates the knife was more than likely a Marine to Marine presentation. Any help in finding more about Sgt. J.W. Morgan from Camp Pendleton, would be greatly appreciated. I am attaching a picture of the letter of authenticity that Bill Stone wrote up on the knife. Thanks in advance if anyone can find information on Sgt. J.W. Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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siclfde Posted July 19, 2019 Share #4 Posted July 19, 2019 I have recently acquired a WW2 E.W. Stone theatre copy knife, which was made by another craftsman and not by Eugene Stone during the war. The handle has been cast to the hilt section of a M1906 Ames Cavalry Saber. What possibly makes this example more unique amongst other Stone theatre copies is that the blade is inscribed, From Sgt. J.W. Morgan / Camp J.H. Pendleton. Although this inscription in itself does not necessarily prove that Sgt. J.W. Morgan is the maker of this knife, I am wondering if there are any military history sleuths out there that might be able to find any information on this J.W. Morgan, who appears to have been stationed at Camp Pendleton at some point during WW2? If it can possibly be established that he worked in the metal shop or other industrial capacity job, it might provide ancillary proof that this knife was made by him. In any case, the skull pommel has the pig-nose configuration, which indicates the knife was more than likely a Marine to Marine presentation. Any help in finding more about Sgt. J.W. Morgan from Camp Pendleton, would be greatly appreciated. I am attaching a picture of the letter of authenticity that Bill Stone wrote up on the knife. Thanks in advance if anyone can find information on Sgt. J.W. Morgan. Nice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groserm Posted July 20, 2019 Share #5 Posted July 20, 2019 That is a nice knife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony-in-NH Posted July 21, 2019 Share #6 Posted July 21, 2019 Really nice theater made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Trzaska Posted July 21, 2019 Share #7 Posted July 21, 2019 I would not spend time looking for that fellow in connection with making this knife. This knife in my opinion was recently made and is a fake. All the best Frank Trzaska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted July 22, 2019 Share #8 Posted July 22, 2019 Frank is right. I bought that knife here in this forum several years ago and earlier this year Frank sold it for me in consignment. The knife has been modified since. When I owned it and when Frank sold it for me, it did not have a Eugene Stone grip copy. It had the original sword grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted July 22, 2019 Share #9 Posted July 22, 2019 Click on the link and you can see the knife in its original configuration. I bought it from Navy Dan, kept it for about 10 years and Frank sold it for me earlier this year. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/62105-fighting-knife-made-from-sword/?hl=%2Bcamp+%2Bpendleton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John121 Posted July 22, 2019 Share #10 Posted July 22, 2019 Trinity, Who did you get this knife from? RegardsJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinity Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share #11 Posted July 22, 2019 Obviously, we now know this knife was made recently and then sold as an original WW2 period copy and authenticated as such. Whether it was authenticated knowingly or in error, is besides the point. Out of respect for the process and due to privacy, this issue is now being handled outside of the public forum and I will not list any personal names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted July 22, 2019 Share #12 Posted July 22, 2019 You have my condolences and respect in this unfortunate matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John121 Posted July 23, 2019 Share #13 Posted July 23, 2019 Trinity, Looking back on your topics see you are knowledgeable on the subject of these Stone knives.How did this counterfeit pass your inspection? For sure these WW2 theater made Stone knives “Pig-Nose” is a knife to stay away from. I can understand you not revealing names of person or persons who you received this counterfeit from. Would think by now you have ideas who may be counterfeiting theseand other knives. This knife was sold earlier this year (2019) then it was reconfigured now you own it. Sgt. J.W. Morgan from Camp Pendleton, which seem to be original due totopic Dec. 2009. Now Sgt. Morgan name is on a counterfeit knife, for sure his name does not deserve to be Degraded, and forever commingled with this counterfeit. RegardsJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groserm Posted July 25, 2019 Share #14 Posted July 25, 2019 Shame the original knife was nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nifman Posted July 27, 2019 Share #15 Posted July 27, 2019 Picture 3 Did the seller give you this letter? Was the seller the person who authenticated the knife? What is the pig nosed on the handle?That was a fast turnaround on the new handle. Thanks Dennis aka nifman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromwell Posted July 29, 2019 Share #16 Posted July 29, 2019 I told you all,so many years ago & was mocked ! You shall see ,as time goes by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John121 Posted July 29, 2019 Share #17 Posted July 29, 2019 I told you all,so many years ago & was mocked ! You shall see ,as time goes by. Cromwell What did you say many years ago? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromwell Posted July 29, 2019 Share #18 Posted July 29, 2019 Look over my ew stone posts it's all their. Looks like all the rude dude's on here owe this old lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted July 30, 2019 Share #19 Posted July 30, 2019 The one I'm thinking of was started seven years ago, If I'm right it's this one. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/118486-stone-knives/?hl=stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromwell Posted July 30, 2019 Share #20 Posted July 30, 2019 That's one of a few,their is a better one I started on this very subject. Now you got a checkmate. Either someone knows nothing of these type knives OR their the main source. You decide the truth...but to attack so many people on "reproductions" when the main reproductions are from but one main source,is so RUDE & misinformed. Don't ignore what's in front of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromwell Posted July 30, 2019 Share #21 Posted July 30, 2019 http://knoxknife.com/Gallery/emodule/896/egallery/19 SR. Must be just turning in his grave. Yikes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromwell Posted July 30, 2019 Share #22 Posted July 30, 2019 http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/165024-ew-stone-zombie-killer/?fromsearch=1 When JR made this for ebay sales all the pieces came togeather for me.If you search their are so many letters & mold fresh shine ? knives on the market. All legit cause they got a letter ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucvks7 Posted August 4, 2019 Share #23 Posted August 4, 2019 Have there been any updates in regards to this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromwell Posted August 4, 2019 Share #24 Posted August 4, 2019 It's all right in front of you. Someone don't know what's what or they totally know what's what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John121 Posted August 4, 2019 Share #25 Posted August 4, 2019 “It's all right in front of you. Someone don't know what's what or they totally know what's what. “ Cromwell, What do mean by your reply see above? Also do you believe EW Stone made Knives during WW2? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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