sigsaye Posted February 18, 2020 Share #151 Posted February 18, 2020 The insignia you describe were "bronze" colored, not darkened, or black, as intended for the gray uniform. They are not interchangeable.. I could be mistaken, but I think I recall that the insignia for the grays was some sort of plastic or Bakelite. I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted February 18, 2020 Share #152 Posted February 18, 2020 The insignia you describe were "bronze" colored, not darkened, or black, as intended for the gray uniform. They are not interchangeable. Also the bronze cap badges were the miniature (garrison cap) size only, to fit the mounting points on the USMC visor cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Minton Posted February 18, 2020 Share #153 Posted February 18, 2020 . I could be mistaken, but I think I recall that the insignia for the grays was some sort of plastic or Bakelite. I could be wrong. That would be interesting, but have never come across one. The only plastic USN officer cap badge I own is plated to look like metal. Only on close inspection is it obviously plastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw83071 Posted March 3, 2020 Share #154 Posted March 3, 2020 There appears to be four men wearing the gray overseas cap in this photo. The source I got it from said that this formation was aboard the USS Hansford for the purpose of a burial at sea for a casualty from the battle of Iwo Jima. Or are they very dark khaki? I also think I see some gray combination caps and trousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted March 3, 2020 Share #155 Posted March 3, 2020 Definitely grays. The closer you get to the end of the war, the more gray you see in the Pacific. It's often overlooked in black and white photos. One officer, two places behind the bugler roughly, is wearing a black chinstrap. That photo is available in high-res here: https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nara-series/80-g-k/80-G-K-03000/80-G-K-3170.html And another one from the same occasion: https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/80-G-K-03000/80-G-K-3167.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw83071 Posted March 3, 2020 Share #156 Posted March 3, 2020 Definitely grays. The closer you get to the end of the war, the more gray you see in the Pacific. It's often overlooked in black and white photos. One officer, two places behind the bugler roughly, is wearing a black chinstrap. That photo is available in high-res here: https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nara-series/80-g-k/80-G-K-03000/80-G-K-3170.html And another one from the same occasion: https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/80-G-K-03000/80-G-K-3167.html Thanks for the reply and the links! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29navy Posted March 3, 2020 Share #157 Posted March 3, 2020 I count at least 9 wearing grays in the photo, inlcuding the Chief in front of the firing squad. In the later classes of midshipmen, in their class books, they are all wearing grays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Minton Posted March 3, 2020 Share #158 Posted March 3, 2020 There appears to be four men wearing the gray overseas cap in this photo. The source I got it from said that this formation was aboard the USS Hansford for the purpose of a burial at sea for a casualty from the battle of Iwo Jima. Or are they very dark khaki? I also think I see some gray combination caps and trousers.IMG_1677 - Copy (2).JPG In a working uniform (gray or khaki) if the shirt and pants look different, then I think almost definitely gray. The khaki shirts and pants never seem to have that much contrast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted April 17, 2020 Share #159 Posted April 17, 2020 Abandon ship drill on Missouri, 1944. Besides one officer in grays, some sailors in N-3 HBT ball caps and some in red-dyed hats. https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/us-navy-ships/battleships/missouri-bb-63/80-G-K-4528.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted June 23, 2020 Share #160 Posted June 23, 2020 Commander in grays on the left as officers negotiate surrender in the Marshalls, 22 August 1945. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted June 27, 2020 Share #161 Posted June 27, 2020 Two vice admirals in khaki, one in gray, late 1944 or 1945. It looks like VAdm Willson is wearing army-style 5/8-inch stars on the collar. https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/80-G-327000/80-G-327677.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntssurplus Posted June 29, 2020 Share #162 Posted June 29, 2020 I think those are just 3 stars for the Vice Admiral rank.Hunt Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted June 29, 2020 Share #163 Posted June 29, 2020 10 hours ago, huntssurplus said: I think those are just 3 stars for the Vice Admiral rank. Yeah, but the one set is noticeably bigger than the other two. Admiral stars were supposed to fit a 3/8" circle, army stars were 1" for the shoulder and 5/8" for the collar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntssurplus Posted June 29, 2020 Share #164 Posted June 29, 2020 Yeah, but the one set is noticeably bigger than the other two. Admiral stars were supposed to fit a 3/8" circle, army stars were 1" for the shoulder and 5/8" for the collar.I misread your previous post. Didn’t see the “stars” after 5/8th inch. Thought you were referring to army ribbons. My apologies.HuntSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted June 30, 2020 Share #165 Posted June 30, 2020 Bridge watch aboard the USS Missouri during the battleship’s shakedown cruise to Trinidad, August 1944: Commanding officer Capt. William M Callaghan, Officer of the Deck Lt. Morris R. Eddy, and Yeoman 1st Class Arthur Colton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted June 30, 2020 Share #166 Posted June 30, 2020 Lieutenant Howard W. Whalen (in gray uniform) with other officers of USS Sanborn, 1945 Officers of the USS Sanborn - 1945 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted June 30, 2020 Share #167 Posted June 30, 2020 Tulagi, Solomon Islands, circa 1945. Is the officer in shorts wearing a gray uniform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted June 30, 2020 Share #168 Posted June 30, 2020 Lieutenant F. M. Edwards, Commander N. M. Carlson, Commander T. A. Gregg, Lieutenant Commander H. D. Lane, and Commander A. E. Wills at the Double Ten Day celebrations, Shanghai Race Course, China, 10 October 1945 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted July 10, 2020 Share #169 Posted July 10, 2020 Gray or green? I notice both uniforms have epaulettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted July 10, 2020 Share #170 Posted July 10, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 11:51 AM, seanmc1114 said: Tulagi, Solomon Islands, circa 1945. Is the officer in shorts wearing a gray uniform? It's got to be. 3 minutes ago, seanmc1114 said: Gray or green? I notice both uniforms have epaulettes. Greens, the shoulder loops are the giveaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvage Sailor Posted July 10, 2020 Share #171 Posted July 10, 2020 On 7/10/2020 at 4:03 AM, seanmc1114 said: Gray or green? I notice both uniforms have epaulettes. USN Aviation Greens Greys have shoulder boards and no sleeve stripes Greens have sleeve stripes and no shoulder boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted July 10, 2020 Share #172 Posted July 10, 2020 Also the bronze buttons have a different look from the black plastic ones, even in B&W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Minton Posted July 10, 2020 Share #173 Posted July 10, 2020 Gray or green? I notice both uniforms have epaulettes. The Chief appears to be wearing Aviation Green with silver bullion and scarlet chevrons rating badge. As otherwise noted, gray uniforms have shoulder boards, and neither epaulettes nor cuff braid, for officers and warrant officers.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Minton Posted July 10, 2020 Share #174 Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Justin B. said: Also the bronze buttons have a different look from the black plastic ones, even in B&W. True, but don't forget when the Gray uniforms were first authorized, gold buttons were permitted, until sufficient black ones had been produced. You will see photos of gray uniforms with gold buttons and black with gold lace shoulder boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted July 10, 2020 Share #175 Posted July 10, 2020 Just now, David Minton said: True, but don't forget when the Gray uniforms were first authorized, gold buttons were permitted, until sufficient black ones had been produced. You will see photos of gray uniforms with gold buttons and black with gold lace shoulder boards. Of course, I've posted about that earlier in the thread. But I don't think there is much chance of gilt buttons being confused with black or bronze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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