Normandy1944 Posted May 15, 2019 Share #1 Posted May 15, 2019 Recently, I came across this helmet that is going to be up for auction. I was wondering, is it an original? Please share your opinions, as well as your arguments, as we can all learn from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normandy1944 Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share #2 Posted May 15, 2019 The only close-up of the spade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normandy1944 Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted May 15, 2019 And the bails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake1941 Posted May 15, 2019 Share #4 Posted May 15, 2019 Seems artificially aged, also not an expert on D bails but they dont look right either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted May 15, 2019 Share #5 Posted May 15, 2019 Seems artificially aged, also not an expert on D bails but they dont look right either Yea, I would agree. Kind of looks like there was something applied to the tac marks to age them. The feet may also be a bit long. I'm by no means an expert, just my 2 cents. I'll let those more knowledgeable on M2s chime in and correct me if I'm missing something In any case, does the auction show the heat stamp on the helmet? Any provenance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normandy1944 Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share #6 Posted May 15, 2019 Yea, I would agree. Kind of looks like there was something applied to the tac marks to age them. The feet may also be a bit long. I'm by no means an expert, just my 2 cents. I'll let those more knowledgeable on M2s chime in and correct me if I'm missing something In any case, does the auction show the heat stamp on the helmet? Any provenance? The heat stamp is 320 S according to the auction house. As far as the provenance goes, it came from a museum that was trimming down its collection. All the military items in the auction have this provenance and include some WWII german panzer wraps, Waffen ss caps etc. In total about 35 items. The museum had many veteran purchased items, like a German general officer uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted May 15, 2019 Share #7 Posted May 15, 2019 The heat stamp is 320 S according to the auction house. As far as the provenance goes, it came from a museum that was trimming down its collection. All the military items in the auction have this provenance and include some WWII german panzer wraps, Waffen ss caps etc. In total about 35 items. The museum had many veteran purchased items, like a German general officer uniform. I would pass on this helmet. The fact that the heat stamp is 320 S is a not a good sign. To my knowledge there aren't any McCord heat stamps that end with an S, so I would wager a guess that 320 S is really a Schlueter with a heat stamp of 320. Again, I am by no means and expert on M2s, but from the pictures and the heat stamp I would not think that the markings or even the helmet itself are original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchfoot Posted May 15, 2019 Share #8 Posted May 15, 2019 The amount of similar scratches on all of the insignia concerns me. It looks deliberate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant G. Posted May 15, 2019 Share #9 Posted May 15, 2019 Fake loops, fake chinstraps, fake paint. The overall shape of the helmet confirms Schlueter production - Schlueter never made M2s. This is one to be avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken88 Posted May 16, 2019 Share #10 Posted May 16, 2019 100% fake yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted May 16, 2019 Share #11 Posted May 16, 2019 Looks like a co.b. "collectibles" helmet (an Ebay seller out of Long Island NY) that has gone through a further weathering process. As stated it looks to be a Schlueter shell which never made D ring helmets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anton67 Posted May 16, 2019 Share #12 Posted May 16, 2019 Feet on the loops look too big to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kibler Posted May 17, 2019 Share #13 Posted May 17, 2019 Don't waist your time on it.... As stated, it's bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normandy1944 Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share #14 Posted May 17, 2019 Thanks for the comments guys! Unfortunately for the buyer, the current bid is at $900 for a fake M2 helmet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayhawkboy Posted May 17, 2019 Share #15 Posted May 17, 2019 Its awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normandy1944 Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share #16 Posted May 20, 2019 So the auction has ended and this helmet was sold for $4000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted May 20, 2019 Share #17 Posted May 20, 2019 even museums get ripped. im telling ya, its just sad what crap is floating around out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted May 29, 2019 Share #18 Posted May 29, 2019 No. Pass on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted May 29, 2019 Share #19 Posted May 29, 2019 Someone paid $4K for a $300 repop. These three things would have helped the buyer not make this mistake: education, education, education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthytyler Posted May 29, 2019 Share #20 Posted May 29, 2019 One thing I've noticed time and time again with reproductions that have fake aging is this build up of dirt/powder looking stuff that sits at and around the base of the corking. anyone else notice this? would be curious if this stuff is easily wiped off with a dry or damp cloth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted May 29, 2019 Share #21 Posted May 29, 2019 Tyler, it is a wipe on aging patina. It can be found at hobby stores. It is used for modeling, railroaders and other faux aging projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted May 29, 2019 Share #22 Posted May 29, 2019 4,000.00 for a piss pot. I would like to see the guys face when he is told he got screwed and got a crapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted May 29, 2019 Share #23 Posted May 29, 2019 4k???? Unreal, brought by someone who doesn't really care about details or research. How any collector prepared to drop this kinda cash for a helmet would fall for this pot is mind numbing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC-RECON0321 Posted May 29, 2019 Share #24 Posted May 29, 2019 And there goes another future buyer of legit helmets with value once he figures this out... As been stated above though, you would think if you're willing to spend thousands on a helmet, especially one that is listed as an online 5 or 7 day auction, you would either be educated about authenticating helmets or seek opinions of those that are before the auction ends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted May 29, 2019 Share #25 Posted May 29, 2019 And there goes another future buyer of legit helmets with value once he figures this out... As been stated above though, you would think if you're willing to spend thousands on a helmet, especially one that is listed as an online 5 or 7 day auction, you would either be educated about authenticating helmets or seek opinions of those that are before the auction ends? You got me, I truly do not understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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