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"I recognize that there are individuals whose resentment of authority transcends reasonableness and whose hatred for the "god-danged gub'ment" is borderline psychotic but every penny they don't pay in taxes someone else has to cough up that penny."

 

Wow. Throwing a loaded comment like that into the discussion, begs the question of whether that is your perception of any taxpayer that dares to express discontent at state governments charging sales tax on their residents for any internet purchase they make, anywhere in the world? Otherwise, why make such a ...... comment?

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I have bought several items on ebay and a lot of sellers still dont charge any sales tax

 

Under the new system, ebay is required by the government to collect the sales tax from resident buyers in those 26 states that are included so far. The seller has no control one way or the other to charge sales tax. Unless or until the new law applies also to shipping charges, I would not be surprised to see some sellers on BIN auctions at least, shift the monetary charge from the purchase to the shipping cost.

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Quote "I recognize that there are individuals whose resentment of authority transcends reasonableness and whose hatred for the "god-danged gub'ment" is borderline psychotic but every penny they don't pay in taxes someone else has to cough up that penny." Quote

 


 

No, this is not true. Sales taxes are not a "zero-sum" game. Just because someone doesn't pay a sales tax does not mean someone else has to pay it.

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No, this is not true. Sales taxes are not a "zero-sum" game. Just because someone doesn't pay a sales tax does not mean someone else has to pay it.

I used to work for my state's treasurer office. When determining the county lines for taxes, we had to be precise because the difference of one street block in some areas could mean millions in taxes.

 

States are losing millions in tax revenue due to online sales. If they do not receive the tax benefit from online sales then they must make it up somewhere else. How else can they pay their agencies such as first responders?

 

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States are losing millions in tax revenue due to online sales. If they do not receive the tax benefit from online sales then they must make it up somewhere else.

 

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Can you lose something you never had?

 

...and even if so...."states losing" = consumers, ie. citizens, benefiting.

 

....will there ever be a time when government has enough money?

 

....and the concept of "making it up somewhere else" is based on the belief of entitlement....in other words, it's the government's money to begin with. I would argue the opposite.

 

Apologies for waxing philosophical!

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There is the option of moving to Oregon.

 

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Can you lose something you never had?

 

...and even if so...."states losing" = consumers, ie. citizens, benefiting.

 

....will there ever be a time when government has enough money?

 

....and the concept of "making it up somewhere else" is based on the belief of entitlement....in other words, it's the government's money to begin with. I would argue the opposite.

 

Apologies for waxing philosophical!

In 2012, states lost an estimated $ 23.3 billion in online sales. online retail has grown so I am sure that number is now higher. As was previously stated, consumers are not buying in local stores where they would be paying sales tax.

 

How do you think your state pays their agencies such as first responders?

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Well...here's a start....

 

Individual Taxes

  • Income — Ohio Individual Income Tax
  • Income — Municipal Income Tax (If search for Municipal Net Profit Click Here)
  • Income — School District Income Tax
  • Income — Fiduciary Income Tax
  • Property — Real Property
  • Estate Tax (Tax No Longer in Effect)

Business Taxes

  • Alcoholic Beverage
  • Commercial Activity Tax (CAT)
  • Corporation Franchise (Tax No Longer in Effect)
  • Employer Withholding
  • Financial Institutions Tax (FIT)
  • Gross Casino Revenue Tax
  • Horse Racing
  • Income — Municipal Income Tax for Electric Light Companies and Telephone Companies
  • Kilowatt-Hour Tax
  • Motor Fuel Tax
    • International Fuel Tax Agreement (IFTA)
  • Municipal Net Profit Tax
  • Natural Gas Distribution ("Mcf Tax")
  • Pass-Through Entities
  • Petroleum Activity Tax (PAT)
  • Public Utility Excise
  • Property — Public Utility Property
  • Replacement Tire Fee
  • Resort Tax
  • Sales & Use
  • Severance
  • Tobacco (Including Vapor Products)

https://www.tax.ohio.gov/ohio_taxes.aspx

 

 

...some states....notably Florida and Tennessee...manage to somehow live and prosper without any state income tax at all. How could first responders possibly function there?

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...some states....notably Florida and Tennessee...manage to somehow live and prosper without any state income tax at all. How could first responders possibly function there?

 

Because they make up for it in others ways. For instance, while Tennessee does not require individuals to pay a state income tax, it charges its' residents the highest state sales tax levied within the U.S.

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Because they make up for it in others ways. For instance, while Tennessee does not require individuals to pay a state income tax, it charges its' residents the highest state sales tax levied within the U.S.

Indeed they do. Our neighbors to the north in NH have no income or sales tax. The only other state is Alaska that have neither I believe. A lot of MA residents retire up there because of that, my parents included. However, they have one of the highest property tax rates to make up for it. If you have a small inexpensive home, you probably make out pretty well. If not, then it probably will even out in the end.

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So, I am already regretting posting this, as I know there are divides in beliefs that will never get closed here.

 

That said, how about governments adapt and / or learn to work more efficiently, like private companies have to do?

 

How else can they pay their agencies such as first responders?

 

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So, I am already regretting posting this, as I know there are divides in beliefs that will never get closed here.

 

That said, how about governments adapt and / or learn to work more efficiently, like private companies have to do?

 

 

All well and good in theory but there was a loss of $23.2 billion in 2012. I am sure that is much higher now because more people are buying online today than they did 7 years ago. How can states make up for that high of a loss in revenue?

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Gonna sound a little ironic, but reduce taxes in the state to attract online businesses to setup operations there. It brings jobs, property taxes, etc, etc, if we are talking about RETAIL commerce.

 

However, eBay is largely not retail transactions, like take place in online stores. These are - in my experience - two individuals involved in the exchange of an item, like would happen at a yard sale. So, they are taxing a different type of transaction to make up for the one they feel they lost?

 

As I said in a prior post, are we going to send IRS agents to community garage sales next?

 

Anyhow, moving on, it is what it is...

 

All well and good in theory but there was a loss of $23.2 billion in 2012. I am sure that is much higher now because more people are buying online today than they did 7 years ago. How can states make up for that high of a loss in revenue?

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Gonna sound a little ironic, but reduce taxes in the state to attract online businesses to setup operations there. It brings jobs, property taxes, etc, etc, if we are talking about RETAIL commerce.

 

 

As I said before, all well and good in theory. In real life, not so much. Incentives given to businesses to get them into the state do not always make up for expenses.

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As I said before, all well and good in theory. In real life, not so much. Incentives given to businesses to get them into the state do not always make up for expenses.

How about cutting state expenses?

 

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How about cutting state expenses?

 

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While state budgets can certainly be reviewed, this thread was discussing sales tax. And while online sales are not all of a state's sales tax income, it does amount to millions of dollars per state. In your state, NC, the sales tax accounts for about 43% of the budget. Can you cut your salary almost in half and determine what you want to keep and what you need to do away with? It is very easy to say "I don't want to pay a sales tax" but not so easy to balance a budget without that income.

 

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"I recognize that there are individuals whose resentment of authority transcends reasonableness and whose hatred for the "god-danged gub'ment" is borderline psychotic but every penny they don't pay in taxes someone else has to cough up that penny."

 

Wow. Throwing a loaded comment like that into the discussion, begs the question of whether that is your perception of any taxpayer that dares to express discontent at state governments charging sales tax on their residents for any internet purchase they make, anywhere in the world? Otherwise, why make such a ...... comment?

 

You nailed it. Expressing discontent is, of course, one thing. Refusing to pay one's share of taxes, sales or otherwise, merely shifts the burden to those who display a more responsible attitude toward the government, whether local, state, or federal. Like it or not, taxes are here to stay. If a citizen supports spending over $750 billion on defense, that same citizen should be willing to cough up the dough to pay the bill. As you probably know, we have many extremely wealthy individuals in our country, some of whom are national leaders, who do all they can to avoid paying their fair share. Guess who makes up the difference? Yep, you and I. Whether its a few pennies on an e-bay purchase or thousands on an income, the bills still must be paid.

 

One cannot expect the government to provide a wide range of civic services and not be willing to bear some of the costs associated with the same services.

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Because they make up for it in others ways. For instance, while Tennessee does not require individuals to pay a state income tax, it charges its' residents the highest state sales tax levied within the U.S.

 

You are, of course, 100% correct. Whether it comes out of your left pocket or your right pocket, its coming out. When we lived in Illinois our state vehicle license was like about $60/year. When we moved to Arizona, it was over $300 because the tax is based on the MSRP! It decreases each year, but if your purchase a $100,000 vehicle, not uncommon today, the tax bill here will shock you.

 

On the other hand, our local property taxes for a $100,000 house then (1984) was a little over $1,200 per year. Our first house in Arizona was $95,000 (1985) and property taxes were like $600. And property taxes are still lower here ($350,000 house with taxes of about $1,500) than many other metropolitan areas (which is one reason our schools rank between 45 and 50th in quality) but vehicle registration make up the difference.

 

So, one ends up paying about the same % of income in overall taxes regardless of where one lives.

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So, one ends up paying about the same % of income in overall taxes regardless of where one lives.

 

I beg to differ, I definitely do not pay as much % of income in tax where I live now vs the state where I used to live-I guarantee I don't.

 

But, sales tax, unlike income taxes and property taxes are taxes you have some control over-Meaning the tax doesn't come out of my pocket unless I purchase an item.

 

I can reign my spending in, and have, to save money now vs the extremely high state tax where I used to live in. Also where I am now, I do not pay an excise tax on my auto; and my registration taxes that I pay now do not even come close to what I was paying in registration and excise tax in the other state.

 

Do I like the new taxes on ebay and the sales on the net in general? NO. Is there really anything I can do about them? NO. But do I really pay the same % of tax now vs where I used to live? NO, not at all.

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Please do not complicate ideology with actual facts.

 

The model cannot sustain that... :)

 

 

I beg to differ, I definitely do not pay as much % of income in tax where I live now vs the state where I used to live-I guarantee I don't.

 

But, sales tax, unlike income taxes and property taxes are taxes you have some control over-Meaning the tax doesn't come out of my pocket unless I purchase an item.

 

I can reign my spending in, and have, to save money now vs the extremely high state tax where I used to live in. Also where I am now, I do not pay an excise tax on my auto; and my registration taxes that I pay now do not even come close to what I was paying in registration and excise tax in the other state.

 

Do I like the new taxes on ebay and the sales on the net in general? NO. Is there really anything I can do about them? NO. But do I really pay the same % of tax now vs where I used to live? NO, not at all.

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I don't see the issue. Most of us pay taxes at Walmart...it was inevitable we'd pay taxes online.

 

It's still convenient for the seller, since the money is automatically routed to the government. Sure you need to file still, but at least your account isn't taking a hit quarterly like it does when you own a brick and mortar operation. I see that as a plus.

 

Of course, I'm not happy about it much, either...but at the end of the day factor it into your max bid. Most of us include shipping costs in our max bids already, now factor in the taxes. Sure...at first we might get beat because others aren't thinking about taxes, but it won't be long before they realize/remember the taxes and start factoring that into their max bids, as well. End of the day, the seller is going to make a couple dollars less. So...long term...no change for the buyers, a few bucks less for the sellers. But it seems like most complaints here are from buyers...maybe we're worried about the wrong thing

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I beg to differ, I definitely do not pay as much % of income in tax where I live now vs the state where I used to live-I guarantee I don't.

 

But, sales tax, unlike income taxes and property taxes are taxes you have some control over-Meaning the tax doesn't come out of my pocket unless I purchase an item.

 

I can reign my spending in, and have, to save money now vs the extremely high state tax where I used to live in. Also where I am now, I do not pay an excise tax on my auto; and my registration taxes that I pay now do not even come close to what I was paying in registration and excise tax in the other state.

 

Do I like the new taxes on ebay and the sales on the net in general? NO. Is there really anything I can do about them? NO. But do I really pay the same % of tax now vs where I used to live? NO, not at all.

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If I buy collectibles in a store or at an auction here in PA I give my resale number and don't have to pay sales tax. Ebay will NOT accept a resale number. The say the only way to avoid sales tax is to have a "Tax Exemption" certificate. That is not right - a lot of the stuff I USED to buy on ebay is for resale - no more - unless it's 6% cheaper than I'd normally pay.

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