tarheel1 Posted May 2, 2019 Share #26 Posted May 2, 2019 Just curious if the Metropolatin Museum of Art in NYC had anything on the helmet? TH1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARV72 Posted May 2, 2019 Share #27 Posted May 2, 2019 Anyone talked to Hayes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted May 2, 2019 Share #28 Posted May 2, 2019 A great thread. I had no idea that there was such a dilemma. Where do you work Pathfinder 11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted May 2, 2019 Share #29 Posted May 2, 2019 Anyone talked to Hayes? Hayes who? If you mean Otoupalik then say so. Just Hayes, is pretty obscure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aef1917 Posted May 2, 2019 Share #30 Posted May 2, 2019 Great photos, Im guessing the mask type cover with the draw string was meant for chemical attacks It's 20 layers of quilted silk to protect against bullet splash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinO Posted May 2, 2019 Share #31 Posted May 2, 2019 Great discussion guys, I too wonder if Otoupalik has seen one. To be clear, Larry is the primary researcher on this...I pick up crumbs and nuggets that I pass to him. And to be sure, I lay awake some nights with two thoughts:a. "There is a Tank Corps grouping out there somewhere with some sort of "unknown helmet" in it. But WHERE?" b. "That Italian helmet sure looks CLOSE to the photos...maybe that IS the missing tank helmet!"I spend more time swirling those two fantasies in my brain than I do researching. Larry, on the other hand, keeps his nose in the records looking for further documentation. And is this JAG, in his office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagjetta Posted May 2, 2019 Share #32 Posted May 2, 2019 Great discussion guys, I too wonder if Otoupalik has seen one. And is this JAG, in his office? xfiles.jpg OMG that is the recurring dream I have! I have spoken to Hayes Otoupalik about this. Hays has an original M1919 leather helmet, but this "provided in France" helmet has eluded him as well. JAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pararaftanr2 Posted May 2, 2019 Share #33 Posted May 2, 2019 If not a twin to the Italian helmet...……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pararaftanr2 Posted May 2, 2019 Share #34 Posted May 2, 2019 ....then at least, a very close relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagjetta Posted May 2, 2019 Share #35 Posted May 2, 2019 Boy...you guys are gonna make a believer out of me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAW Posted May 2, 2019 Share #36 Posted May 2, 2019 This is quite the rabbit hole you guys are chasing down. If one were to exist....it would also have to have iron clad provenance that would both date it to wartime use and assure folks that it wasn't a pilot helmet/motorcycle/other random use helmet. How many tanks were active in the brigade at any time....and how many crews? You need to turn up a trunk group of a 304th Tank Brigade veteran who was also a souvenir hound/kleptomaniac....and whose family were the "let's save everything" type through the generations. Game on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARV72 Posted May 2, 2019 Share #37 Posted May 2, 2019 Excuse me, there is only One Hayes. Anyone thats been collecting for a while knows that. Hayes has a complete tank he drives around his place. nuf sed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted May 3, 2019 Share #38 Posted May 3, 2019 Boy...you guys are gonna make a believer out of me! John, your "want" to believe is showing it's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARV72 Posted May 3, 2019 Share #39 Posted May 3, 2019 Wondering out loud, Patton museum have one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikthehistorian Posted May 4, 2019 Author Share #40 Posted May 4, 2019 In the uncropped version of this image a second view of the helmet can be seen, notice the horizontal rib, which is closer to the bottom edge than the start of the dome,the diagonal strap connecting the brow piece/visor to the skirt, and the chinstrap attached to the skirt. pt03-ch22-sec02_012.jpeg Nice!! This is a slide from the WWI website I'm building for CMH. I'll post the photo by itself- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinO Posted May 6, 2019 Share #41 Posted May 6, 2019 Heres a closeup from the original SC photo: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/55204359 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARV72 Posted May 6, 2019 Share #42 Posted May 6, 2019 This is getting good. Notice the smirk on the guy’s face in last pic, probably thinking, my helmet is more comfortable than yours. LOL Someone , somewhere has one, just take a while to find out where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted May 6, 2019 Share #43 Posted May 6, 2019 To me that's the Italian helmet. Now how did they get so many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryM3 Posted May 16, 2019 Share #44 Posted May 16, 2019 To my knowledge there are no known examples of the AEF Type Tank Helmet in existence. There is one known example of the Type-15 Experimental Tank Helmet in the collection of the center for Military History in Carlyle, PA. which has, unfortunately, lost it's foamed rubber bumper ring. The helmet shown as Italian, and which gave JAG and I so many sleepless nights, is in my opinion an Italian miners helmet. I have been through the Patton Papers and the light tank unit after-action reports and nowhere is there any mention of tank helmets. If I were to guess I would say that Patton or a member of his staff either procurred Italian miner's helmets or had copies made locally. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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