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Hey everybody,

 

I’ve recently been given the opportunity to purchase what might be a new centerpiece for my collection. My buddy came across this as a collector friend of his was downsizing. The collector had the helmet for awhile apparently and to me, it seems 100% legit.

 

It’s a front seam, fixed bail (one broken off) with a Seaman paper company liner. The helmet itself has a fair bit of the original cork left while some seems to have rubbed off. The insignia on either side appear to copy the OD variant of the patch and match perfectly with the natural wear on the helmet while the follow me stripe seems great as well. The liner looks to have been painted 3 separate times as a first lighter shade of green is visible, followed by a white, and then by the darker green. The lieutenant bar also seems to have been fatter and below the hole on a prior coat.

 

The helmet is named to Lt. William M Gerhardt, Commanding Officer of Cannon Company, 142nd Infantry Regiment , 36th Infantry Division. The following is from his obituary

 

Mr. Gerhardt served in the U.S. Army in WWII with the 36th Division, 1st Lt. Field Artillery. He was a recipient of three Purple Hearts and four Bronze Stars with Valor, a member of the Purple Heart Association, DAV, VFW Post 1889 and 36th Infantry Division Life Member.

 

 

What I would like to ask is

1. Does this appear legit to you all? It seems to me but would like to check before I invest

2. What would you say the value of a named, painted helmet in this condition might be worth?

3. Any help on more info on Mr Gerhardt!

 

This could be my dream helmet and I just want to make sure it’s not too good to be true. Thanks!

 

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GEN. David R. Atchinson- MO State Guard              ACW

PVT. John H. Drury- Co. A, 27th Ky IR                      ACW               Died of Typhoid

PVT. Henry E. Thomas- Co. I, 17th Ky IR                  ACW

PVT. Joseph E. Drury- Co. E, 356th IR, 89th ID       WWI                WIA

SGT. Edward P. Drury- 51st QM Training Co.           WWII

PFC. Delmer C. Koonter- Co. I, 142nd IR, 36th ID    WWII              WIA

SC3c Michael C. Drury- LCS (L) (3) 70                     WWII

SGT. Steven D. Koonter- 5th Cav, 1st Cav Div         Vietnam

SGT. John M. Drury- 227th AVN Bn. 1st Cav Div     Vietnam

 

Contact me with items from the 36th Infantry Division or any IDd uniforms of European Theater Infantry Divisions

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GEN. David R. Atchinson- MO State Guard              ACW

PVT. John H. Drury- Co. A, 27th Ky IR                      ACW               Died of Typhoid

PVT. Henry E. Thomas- Co. I, 17th Ky IR                  ACW

PVT. Joseph E. Drury- Co. E, 356th IR, 89th ID       WWI                WIA

SGT. Edward P. Drury- 51st QM Training Co.           WWII

PFC. Delmer C. Koonter- Co. I, 142nd IR, 36th ID    WWII              WIA

SC3c Michael C. Drury- LCS (L) (3) 70                     WWII

SGT. Steven D. Koonter- 5th Cav, 1st Cav Div         Vietnam

SGT. John M. Drury- 227th AVN Bn. 1st Cav Div     Vietnam

 

Contact me with items from the 36th Infantry Division or any IDd uniforms of European Theater Infantry Divisions

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What’s up with all of the scratches? The scratches seem to be everywhere, insignias, follow me bar and I have never a liner marked up like that. I believe the leather chinstrap is a Eroupean strap, looks really thick in the pictures. Hold out for others but something to me does not feel right. I hope I am wrong, I want you to have a helmet to be proud of, with no regrets.

 

Marty

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I can say Im not much of a fan of this one either, 644td brought up some great points. The liner has shell both show significant wear to the paint but the strap in pretty darn good condition. The follow me bar has almost no age, to me if looks like it was artificially aged. No scratches on the back except for inside the bar, doesnt really make much sense

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Hey guys, I appreciate all the comments so far. Luckily I haven’t bought it yet as I wanted to see what everyone in the forum had to say. I was wary with all the weathering. I figured it would be hard to fake the rust but the scratches I wasn’t sure whether it might have just been banged around in a garage for years. Would you all imagine the serial number and paint to all be faked too or just the conditioning?

GEN. David R. Atchinson- MO State Guard              ACW

PVT. John H. Drury- Co. A, 27th Ky IR                      ACW               Died of Typhoid

PVT. Henry E. Thomas- Co. I, 17th Ky IR                  ACW

PVT. Joseph E. Drury- Co. E, 356th IR, 89th ID       WWI                WIA

SGT. Edward P. Drury- 51st QM Training Co.           WWII

PFC. Delmer C. Koonter- Co. I, 142nd IR, 36th ID    WWII              WIA

SC3c Michael C. Drury- LCS (L) (3) 70                     WWII

SGT. Steven D. Koonter- 5th Cav, 1st Cav Div         Vietnam

SGT. John M. Drury- 227th AVN Bn. 1st Cav Div     Vietnam

 

Contact me with items from the 36th Infantry Division or any IDd uniforms of European Theater Infantry Divisions

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The paint is definitely fake and aged, not sure about the serial number but anyone with the unit rosters could put it in the helmet.

Check out my eBay page, I sell military insignia and just about anything else I come across

Link: https://www.ebay.com/sch/fitzkeemilitaria/m.html?item=223497878518&hash=item340982fbf6%3Ag%3ASs4AAOSw-llcxhqe&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

 

Please check out my web page as well for more items for sale

 

https://fitzkeemilitaria.com/

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Run away from this lid,

 

You ever been to the beach when the red flag is up telling you not to jump in the water.

 

Today is that that day

 

- Dean

"Rise and rise again until lambs become lions."

 

Always looking for ww2 USMC items, helmets and any camo'd items

 

 

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Sorry but not a chance on this! This is what I also call a "One Looker" but not in a good way!

 

This is what many un-informed collectors unfortunately find out well after the fact when they go to sell what they thought was a "Top Shelf" helmet down the road. I see it at shows and we all see it on eBay and say: Well they'll figure out it's fake when they go to sell it some day. Well today is his day, because luckily you asked for opinions before deciding to buy. (And as usual chinstraps missing). If this was a legit helmet and ID like this from a "Collector" you would easily expect to pay $2500 +/-. So the price he's asking might tell you if he believes it's a fake or not also.

 

Just some thoughts.

Troy

USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)

US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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The SN looks like it was painted with liquid white-out. White paint over time should have yellowed a bit. The follow me stripe looks like it was painted last month with spray paint. As others have mentioned, the scratches are huge red flags for me. Here's my WWII helmet from Col. Harry E. Smith for caparison on aging over time.

 

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Hey everybody! I want to thank you all very much for saving me and my buddy from this monster. I’m not too much of a helmet guy so it had sold me but boy am I glad I came to you all before doing anything else. He’s working on getting a refund and I’m just taking it easy looking for anything else 36th ID (That’s legit!)

 

Thanks again, the power of this forum is great!

 

Alex

GEN. David R. Atchinson- MO State Guard              ACW

PVT. John H. Drury- Co. A, 27th Ky IR                      ACW               Died of Typhoid

PVT. Henry E. Thomas- Co. I, 17th Ky IR                  ACW

PVT. Joseph E. Drury- Co. E, 356th IR, 89th ID       WWI                WIA

SGT. Edward P. Drury- 51st QM Training Co.           WWII

PFC. Delmer C. Koonter- Co. I, 142nd IR, 36th ID    WWII              WIA

SC3c Michael C. Drury- LCS (L) (3) 70                     WWII

SGT. Steven D. Koonter- 5th Cav, 1st Cav Div         Vietnam

SGT. John M. Drury- 227th AVN Bn. 1st Cav Div     Vietnam

 

Contact me with items from the 36th Infantry Division or any IDd uniforms of European Theater Infantry Divisions

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