juodonnell2012 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #1 Posted February 23, 2019 Hello everyone, my friend picked a usmc helmet cover up from the Show of Shows, he sent a photo of it to me. It is a slitless variant with EGA on the front, but something seems off to me. Just wondering what you guys thought. Here are the only pics I have right now. What concerns me is there is no "border" around the "pacman" shape. I told him I would post it here for more opinions. Best regards Sent from my SM-J727V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juodonnell2012 Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share #2 Posted February 23, 2019 To me just some of the shapes on the cover look off, I know there was massive variation during the war so I may just be overly cautious. First pic is the cover in question second pic is one in my collection. Sent from my SM-J727V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juodonnell2012 Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted February 23, 2019 Again, 1st one is the one in question, second one is from my collection. Sent from my SM-J727V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted February 23, 2019 Share #4 Posted February 23, 2019 Looks OK to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digi-shots Posted February 23, 2019 Share #5 Posted February 23, 2019 Aside from the white outline.... the herribone pattern looks different... one USMC, and the other Army?? I have one with slits... I'll have to take a look at the fabric pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digi-shots Posted February 23, 2019 Share #6 Posted February 23, 2019 My fabric looks like yours... white outline and alternating chevron/plain weave/chevrons (I don't know if this makes sense or not). The fabric you're questioning has chevron/chevron/chevron pattern. ?? Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIJive Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7 Posted February 23, 2019 digi-shots, WWII and Korean War vintage helmets covers were all the same Army Weave. The werent made with Marine Corps HBT weave. juodonnell2012, The space or gap around the colored spots in the camouflage patern has to do with the printing process and stencils used during the manufacture. The gaps vary from production run to production run, as do variations in the dye shades. That is not a way to determine a real cover from a reproduction. The cover in question looks okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump 150 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #8 Posted February 23, 2019 This appears to be what I only call to keep'em straight and away from another "Model" type as the "Design B" of the Frogskin pattern. There are many variances in placement when produced as well stated by GIJive. But there seems to be two distinct roller pattern shapes with what I call the "Design A" being the most common. Not only is the pattern slightly different on the "B", the HBT cloth is slightly different as well giving it a different appearance many times. It is interesting though so far as the "A" has been identified only on the so called WWII Models 1 & 3, and all of the 1953 and 1964 contracts. The "B" is only on all three WWII models, and the only one to date found on the so called 2nd (slits only in crown). That is all part of the story that needs to still be learned and filled in as well... Here is a link that attempts to explain..... http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/222350-2nd-model-usmc-frogskin-cover-the-rarest/?hl=design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1a2u2 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #9 Posted February 23, 2019 My main concern is the weave pattern. Someone put a guide together with the drawing of how it should look. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxoZWxtZXRpbmZvfGd4OjE0ZTljZjRlMTQ5NjRmOA Also, do you have pictures of the seam stitching on each side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juodonnell2012 Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share #10 Posted February 24, 2019 Thank you very much for the replies everyone. I have sent him the link of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken88 Posted February 26, 2019 Share #11 Posted February 26, 2019 Tell your friend to look at the stitching on the beach side. Originals will have a sort of interlocked stitching pattern running all the way down at the seam. I've yet to see a fake that has this. There's no pac-man on your friends cover which is a good sign. It would be virtually impossible to authenticate these covers by just taking the weave into account. The real give-away always is the stitching on the beach side as far as I'm concerned. Just looking at it I would say the odds are in your friend's favor. That's a high quality cover right there. Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith Posted February 26, 2019 Share #12 Posted February 26, 2019 Unfortunately, you cannot rely on that anymore. I have seen multiple repro covers with center seam chain-stitching on the beach side. No longer the tell it used to be. Tell your friend to look at the stitching on the beach side. Originals will have a sort of interlocked stitching pattern running all the way down at the seam. I've yet to see a fake that has this. There's no pac-man on your friends cover which is a good sign. It would be virtually impossible to authenticate these covers by just taking the weave into account. The real give-away always is the stitching on the beach side as far as I'm concerned. Just looking at it I would say the odds are in your friend's favor. That's a high quality cover right there. Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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