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Pineapple Army DUI of the Interwar Hawaiian Division 1922-1941


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Salvage Sailor

21st Infantry Regiment 'Gimlet' - Brigaded with the 19th IR into the 21st Infantry Brigade from 1922 to 1941

 

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S. MEYER NEW YORK - Screwbacks

 

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21st Infantry Regiment Sembler Gemsco patch

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Salvage Sailor

27th Infantry Regiment 'Wolfhounds', 22nd Infantry Brigade, Hawaiian Division

 

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N.S. Meyer SB's, N.S. Meyer PB's except center, unmarked

 

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Sembler Gemsco 27th Infantry Regiment patch

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27th Infantry Coat of Arms

 

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27th Infantry Staff 1923

 

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27th Infantry 'Wolfhounds' Honor Guard

 

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27th Infantry Marching Band

 

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Honorary Colonel Miss Shirley Temple

 

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Wolfhounds NCO's on maneuvers in fatigues

 

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Wolfhound BAR team on maneuvers (DUI's on campaign hats)

 

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Wolfhound officer on maneuvers wearing OPFOR vest and DUI

 

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27th Infantry Company H Wolfhound Guidon

 

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A question that I have not been able to answer with google or image searches.

For the Hawaiian Air Force/USAAC, circa 1941, give or take, around the time of the name change from 'corps' to 'air force'.

Did the Pineapple Air Force have a DUI that officers would have worn? Was it under the Hawaiian Department, hence the curved H worn by HQ?

Was the wearing of a DUI, assuming a campaign hat is worn, part of the UOD, mandatory, or optional? Did they wear them on overseas caps, before the EM started to do so?

This might fly in the face of photographic evidence, but a haole like me would have cancerous lesions all over my face wearing a billed service hat or overseas.

Thanks for any thoughts. I'm a docent at the So.Cal. Wing of the Commemorative Air Force museum, and things like this cross my mind when I'm thinking of our uniform collection and displays.

Mahalo nui loa

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Hawaiian 'Taro' Division on felt

probably for a pennant or athletic item

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3 hours ago, Pointedcuffs said:

Recent find.

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Awesome Athletic buckle that I actually got to see in person at the ASMIC Annual Convention.  Thanks for sharing Mario.

 

A Hui Hou,

 

John

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Just now, kiaiokalewa said:

Awesome Athletic buckle that I actually got to see in person at the ASMIC Annual Convention.  Thanks for sharing Mario.

 

A Hui Hou,

 

John

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On 10/20/2019 at 12:11 PM, Salvage Sailor said:

11th Field Artillery Brigade - Hawaiian Division

 

The organizations constituting the Brigade are the 8th Field Artillery (75-mm. Br.), the 11th Field Artillery (155-mm. howitzers). the 13th Field Artillery (75-mm. Br.), the 11th Ammunition Train and Brigade Headquarters Battery.
In 1921 all the organizations of the Brigade were completely motorized.
 

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11th Field Artillery Brigade - Hawaiian Division

 

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The organizations constituting the Brigade are the 8th Field Artillery (75-mm. Br.), the 11th Field Artillery (155-mm. howitzers). the 13th Field Artillery (75-mm. Br.), the 11th Ammunition Train and Brigade Headquarters Battery.

 

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In 1921 all the organizations of the Brigade were completely motorized.

 

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11th Field Artillery Brigade

The Hawaiian Division’s 11th Field Artillery Brigade was established on 1 March 1921. The 11th Field Artillery Brigade consisted of the 8th Field Artillery Regiment (75mm field gun) in direct support of the division’s 22nd Infantry Brigade; the 13th Field Artillery Regiment (75mm field gun) in direct support of the 21st Infantry Brigade and the 11th Field Artillery Regiment (155mm howitzer) in general support of both brigades.

 

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Just prior to the wearing of DUI's

 

11th Field Artillery Brigade

The Gunners run the Outfit

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11th FA BDE, Hawaiian 'Taro' Division, Schofield Barracks, T.H. 1922

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HQ Battery, 11th Service Battery

11th Field Artillery Brigade

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Artillery HQ Discs, 11th FA BDE 1923

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HQ Battery, 11th FA BDE 1928

With sidearm & white road leggings

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Obviously both buckles came from the same source and likely from one of the trophy and award shops in downtown Honolulu.  

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Hawaiian (Separate) Coast Artillery Brigade (HCAB)

 

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HCAB 'No-So' SSI

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HCAB 41st CA (Rail) Fort Kamehameha, T.H.

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HCAB Koa Wood Swagger Stick with Initials

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2nd Group (Observation) and was stationed at Luke Field in what was then the Territory of Hawaii. The group was redesignated in the early 1920's from the 2nd Group (Observation) to the 5th Group (Observation) before becoming the 5th Group (Pursuit and Bombardment) a year later. Nice set of collar and cap DUI's.

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Nice set. Do you think the larger is a cap piece? Massaro identifies two sizes for this DI, one much larger than the other. I always thought the large ones were intended for lapel/epaulette wear. Thanks for sharing. 

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Actually, the originally submitted samples for the 5th Composite Group insignia by American Metal Company was a whooping 37x39 mm in size followed by both Dondero and N.S. Meyers 30x33 mm samples.  American Metal's samples was submitted February 25, 1925, but was immediately rejected as is did not fulfill the size requirements set by the OQMG, followed by Dondero and Meyer's submission of their respective 30x33mm examples.  All samples were too large, unapproved and essentially unauthorized for use.

 

Same thing happened with Hawaiian  Department's, 55th Coast Artillery and HQ & Special Troops, Hawaiian  Division Distinctive Insignia.

 

Now this doesn't mean that these unauthorized examples didn't make out into the wild and worn by the troops for a very short period time before the violators were advised remove them and wear the authorized insignia.   

 

Almost immediately acorrect sized (22×24mm) sample was submitted to the OQMG, March 3, 1925, was approved and authorized for use (going well WWII).  These insignia were a product of N.S. Meyer's.

 

Is it possible that the larger examples of the above three mentioned unit (5th Comp, 55th CA, HQ Sp. Tp. Haw DI) been worn on Campaign Hats or in the case of the 5th Comp their service caps?  Sure, but the window was rather short and it's erroneous to imply that these initial, unapproved and oversized insignia were intented for head gear wear exclusively...as mentioned earlier they were intended for universal use of distinctives insignia placement as prescribed at the time frame circa. EARLY 1925.

 

Hopefully, this clarifies why these larger insignias are looming about in collection and the "Lore" that sets the wrong interruption of how they were originally intended to be worn.  

 

Aloha,

 

John

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Hi Salvage Sailor ,

My interest is much like yours. However , your knowledge given me much delite and insight. Thank you.

 

92Alpha

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Salvage Sailor

Welcome Aboard 92Alpha, much appreciated

 

Mahalo

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I recently acquired this ring.  It was clear to me that the base ring and the unit insignia were originally separate pieces.  I posted these pictures elsewhere on this forum, and some members provided additional details to further enhance that idea.  In summary, it is thought that the base ring was a blank available in one of Honolulu's Chinatown jewelry stores, to which a member of the 5th Bomb. Group had affixed a screwback unit insignia.  I'm assuming that the mark inside the band is a mark of either the shop or the jeweler himself.  The only provenance I have from purchase is that the ring initially had a tag with the year "1941" attached to it, and it was initially acquired at an estate sale in VA.

 

 

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