Help Identify two unit crests No MOTTO

[redone]

Can anyone ID these two crests?

[DHolly]

The ASMIC Charge Catalog has these as the 1st Barrage Balloon Group for the one with the spider web and the 12th Armored Division Supply Battalion for the one with the sheaves of wheat.

 

Dave

[patches]

What are the hallmarks a attachments on these two, photos please.

[tredhed2]

Anytime you see a DI with a spider web on it, it is for a barrage balloon unit during WW II. However, if the HM is Aresta of Hawaii or CWAH (menory a little hazy right now), with a CB, it is a DI made for collectors and never worn during WW II.

[tredhed2]

The bottom DI is 12th AD Trains or 12th Armored QM Bn, take your pick.

[patches]

The bottom DI is 12th AD Trains or 12th Armored QM Bn, take your pick.

An unofficial one tred? if so these are generally made during the occupation period, or might this be one that was unofficially locally approved before the 12th Armd Div left for Europe?

[tredhed2]

An unofficial one tred? if so these are generally made during the occupation period, or might this be one that was unofficially locally approved before the 12th Armd Div left for Europe?

I can't find my resource. It appears to be US made, prior to departure overseas. It does not have the look of a TM DI.