cerick1450 Posted April 22, 2018 Share #1 Posted April 22, 2018 Hello Is this a ww2 Hat badge? It is on a ww2 dated Pith helmet. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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doyler Posted April 23, 2018 Share #3 Posted April 23, 2018 WW2 era to 50s tend to have flat edge disc and can be thick or thin from what I have seen The rolled edge type dates later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted April 23, 2018 Share #4 Posted April 23, 2018 WW2 era to 50s tend to have flat edge disc and can be thick or thin from what I have seen The rolled edge type dates later. Rolled edges from late 40s On(the new EM 1947 Cap) If not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerick1450 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share #5 Posted April 23, 2018 Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gap Posted April 23, 2018 Share #6 Posted April 23, 2018 Explain flat versus rolled edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted April 24, 2018 Share #7 Posted April 24, 2018 Explain flat versus rolled edge This is a rolled edge, or crimped if one likes, it has a stabilizing pin on the top to prevent the disc from spinning once screwed fast to the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted April 24, 2018 Share #8 Posted April 24, 2018 And this is a late 1920s-1930's-WWII Flat Edge cap device, note it has as it's stabilizer a two pronged nut rather than a pin. This nice cap device is by the way up on Ebay if anyone is interested (No affiliation with vendor, just a public service announcement ). https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-US-Military-WWII-ARMY-Enlisted-Cap-Hat-Device-Solid-Brass-1-1-2/162977501540?hash=item25f2375164:g:mVQAAOSw4Ehacekt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted April 24, 2018 Share #9 Posted April 24, 2018 Great reference pictures Kevin. Thanks for adding them I think we have had a topic or discussion on the cap badges from WW2 as far as materials used. There were some made of plastic and also of a plaster type material I recall. Some place I have one that is one piece stamped.Its either on a cap or on the loose. I have even seen a few f the WW2 flat edge in use on 60s era army dress caps. Then there are the unofficial silver/chrome finnish as well.If I can find mine I can post a picture of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted April 24, 2018 Share #10 Posted April 24, 2018 Great reference pictures Kevin. Thanks for adding them I think we have had a topic or discussion on the cap badges from WW2 as far as materials used. There were some made of plastic and also of a plaster type material I recall. Some place I have one that is one piece stamped.Its either on a cap or on the loose. I have even seen a few f the WW2 flat edge in use on 60s era army dress caps. Then there are the unofficial silver/chrome finnish as well.If I can find mine I can post a picture of it Yes I was trying to find that topic, I remembered that one, couldn't, I guess it's in the unsorted holding area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gap Posted April 24, 2018 Share #11 Posted April 24, 2018 So no rolled edges during WW2? That is disappointing if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted April 25, 2018 Share #12 Posted April 25, 2018 So no rolled edges during WW2? That is disappointing if true. For $5-10 you can buy a WW2 one to put on there if you really want to. It's not like they are rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gap Posted April 25, 2018 Share #13 Posted April 25, 2018 I have a WAAC enlisted cap device (walking buzzard) with a rolled edge that I am very confident is original and not a repop. When WAAC switched to WAC in 1943, this walking buzzard device was phased out. So, maybe there is an exception to the rule... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted April 25, 2018 Share #14 Posted April 25, 2018 See my thread here: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/229711-1947-pattern-army-em-service-cap-frames-new-in-box/?hl=post-1947 From post #22 on we discuss the post-1947 cap badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gap Posted April 25, 2018 Share #15 Posted April 25, 2018 Appreciate the reference, but it doesn't address the question as to why my walking buzzard hat device has a rolled edge! By 1944 the WAAC walking buzzard would have been replaced by the standard U.S.Eagle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted April 25, 2018 Share #16 Posted April 25, 2018 Maybe WAC badges were constructed that way, I haven't enough of them to say for sure. The badge on the pith helmet that was posted does have all the post-1947 features (2 piece, rolled edge, smaller eagle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted April 25, 2018 Share #17 Posted April 25, 2018 Maybe WAC badges were constructed that way, I haven't enough of them to say for sure. The badge on the pith helmet that was posted does have all the post-1947 features (2 piece, rolled edge, smaller eagle). I've seen lots of the EM WAC badges over the years and all had rolled-edge disks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted April 25, 2018 Share #18 Posted April 25, 2018 I've seen lots of the EM WAC badges over the years and all had rolled-edge disks. As have the ones I have seen, but I've only seen a handful. Were 100% of them made that way? I don't know, but I think it's safe to say the majority were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted April 25, 2018 Share #19 Posted April 25, 2018 As have the ones I have seen, but I've only seen a handful. Were 100% of them made that way? I don't know, but I think it's safe to say the majority were. I've seen nothing to suggest they were made any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted April 26, 2018 Share #20 Posted April 26, 2018 I've seen lots of the EM WAC badges over the years and all had rolled-edge disks. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gap Posted April 26, 2018 Share #21 Posted April 26, 2018 Would that not cast doubt on the theory that EM Eagles with rolled edges are post-war ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted April 26, 2018 Share #22 Posted April 26, 2018 Would that not cast doubt on the theory that EM Eagles with rolled edges are post-war ? I don't think anyone is saying that 100% of rolled edge EM cap devices are post-WW2 (there were plenty of private purchase ones available), and I am not an expert on WAAC/WAC cap badges of WW2, which is a different topic. The reverse does seem to hold true that all EM cap badges with a flat disc are WW2 vintage as the 1947 uniform changes made the rolled edge standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted April 26, 2018 Share #23 Posted April 26, 2018 There is a flat edge WAAC cap badge shown in the for sale section today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted April 26, 2018 Share #24 Posted April 26, 2018 How very timely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted April 26, 2018 Share #25 Posted April 26, 2018 I don't think anyone is saying that 100% of rolled edge EM cap devices are post-WW2 (there were plenty of private purchase ones available), and I am not an expert on WAAC/WAC cap badges of WW2, which is a different topic. The reverse does seem to hold true that all EM cap badges with a flat disc are WW2 vintage as the 1947 uniform changes made the rolled edge standard. Interesting point, good guess would be that the rolled edge ones with the pin rather than the two pronged nut if seen on a bonafide WWII cap would be a PX purchase, after all there are better quality WWII (Flat faced, not the 50s-60s slightly convexed type) hollow stamped collar discs out there that were presumably PX purchases types, IE non zinc rear backing, but with brass or zinc bars. As it this example of these matching WWII Tank Destroyer Forces EM discs with Brass bar on the rears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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