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I am glad you resurrected this thread (GIJive)

 

Always an area of question for me, but I too agree with the concensus, these (unmarked) covers are WW2 surplus, issued after the war, and I would guess sometime in the 1950's..

 

I too agree the guy's helmet in question does not look like an EGA, but rather a leaf from the cammo pattern.

 

Also; did anyone catch the guy with the helmet behind the flag holder? He has one of those "sniper veil/Insect net" covers....take a look at the photo.

 

Last, here is one of mine, it looks almost exactly like the one craig posted.. scary...

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Helllo Owen,

 

Thank you for your note - and for helping me to get back on track. My note above via the cover was off base and outta line as the seller had not stressed or implied that it was a WWII or Korean War ear item. Credit to him for not being one of the ebay masses that DO so often state such things. I offer a sincere retraction to the seller (sorry mate).

 

As for Jeff's photo, I am of corse aware of it. As for my photos, in both my Marine books, there are no such covers featured. If there were I would have gleefully made note of it as to find any exceptions concerning uniforms and equipment are always an interest of mine. When I have found such exceptions, I've taken the time to identify them - an example of this being the M44 trousers worn on Kwajalein- that for me was VERY unusual and as a collector (see "Dungarees and Frogskin, in the Camo/Frogskin chapter). What Jeff's photo does show is an interesting example of what a Marine did on his own accord that is displaying a sign of individual Marine pride (and is not an official stamp or stencil). This act of marking is like those Marines who added the large and small cap and collar ornaments (EGAs) to their caps and even to their helmets as individual signs of Marine pride. Closing with, we have all seen these stenciled covers, stamped on WWII over-stock and also upon those made and dated 1953, yet when you look through the thousands of photos and view the film footage you will very terribly hard pressed like a needle in a warehouse of haystacks to find a stencil upon a cover in WWII or Korea - Jeff's remains an interesting exception.

 

As to my ebay auctions - you are right in that none of us welcome negativity, and while my note was not intended as such, it does come off that way, and again I offer a retraction to the seller, and should I ever run into him, I will be happy to buy him a beer and or sake (his choice). As to my own ebay auctions my feedback reflects quite well the quality and level of kit that I sell - upon checking it this morning I have 5,003 feedbacks received and of that have had only 6 negatives, and 0 neutrals. That means that I have 4, 997 positives which speaks for itself.

 

As for my HBT material - you have a valid point and I'm glad you bring that up, as I too would have liked it to be of a heavier weight. I certainly paid for it, going to a mill of choice and placing a custom order to get the weave, color and weigth exact and identical - yet I did not get all three, with the end result being - I got the weave and color dead on (and I might add that no other vendor has ever done that. They have offered a superior weight of twill, yet their colors and or weave have not been right). Had I know going in that I would not get all 'three' (weight, color and weave) I would not have sunk a small fortune $40,000.00 into the fabrication of the utilities, for as like with my Denison Smocks, the goods that I made were made to be replications of the past and to give the reenactor (and veteran) something of quality for his money. As the weight could not be replicated along and in conjunction with the Marine Corps weave and 1941 sage green color - I did not make another run. For the time and money expended it should have been perfection, yet it was not. Making reproductions of quality is a difficult task as any vendor who cares-knows:) This is also why today so much is available direct from China where the price is cheap yet the quality is fairly non-igsistant.

 

Since my getting out of the reproduction business in 2004 (after 10 years and some wonderfully loyal customers, etc) I found that I needed a set of M1941 sage green utilities and a set of M1942 camouflage utilities - to wear for a television pilot that I was to shoot on Okinawa and Iwo Jima this last March. After careful examination, I found that I quite liked what SM Wholesale did and for HBO's The Pacific series. This latest run was as good as I've ever seen. The color is what I feel to be the most accurate and their material hard wearing and quite durable. And during that period in March I got to field test both sets on Okinawa for 4 days, and on Iwo for three days. Both sets held up beautifully, so much so that I must state that in the past when I have spent 12 to 14 days on Saipan-Peleliu and Iwo that my own M1941 utilities began to tear - being thinner they were less durable, and at the end of each Pacific trip (I made 4, not including this last March which would be 5) my own TTO USMC M1941 utilities made me resemble Humphrey Bogart in Treasure of Siera Madre (Hobo Jim). But one cannot forget the ever and evil Saipanese Landannas cactus, nor the razor sharp coral or Peleliu, as they will destroy just about anyone or anything:)!

 

To wrap up, my appology to the helmet seller, as he did not claim anything false, and as for you Owen, I've addressed your comments and thank you for your note.

 

Best,

 

HG Hello Harlan I bought a second pattern helmet cover from you off of

ebay back about 05- 06 and i hate to say that the thing is probobly bogus , i know this is after the fact , but the more i learn here and read and the more i look at the cover i know it is questionable . Those were the days before i knew any better not only this but apair of utility trousers as well you swore to

be original , guess you made money back off of your investment . beg for forgiveness koreamike p.s. the cover in question turns purple under black

light in complete darkness

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Thanks for clearing up the "mystery" of the stenciled EGA on his helmet. I looked and looked and could never see it. The helmet to the right of the group is interesting also but that goes beyond this thread.

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You guys are my type of collector. Looking at all the small details :thumbsup:

 

Where's that donation link lol!

 

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I want to assist my fellow collectors in coming up with some sort of timeline for these stencils and when they appeared.

 

I have a separate thread started here:

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...showtopic=84268

 

I want to go on record as saying that I want so much to believe these are WW2 pieces (with the EGA stencils) but am sorry to say that the photographic evidence just does not support this... However when exactly did these stencils start to appear?

 

well, the helmet in my thread ( link above) has a name AND serial number. As far as I have seen, there are not many covers or original helmet sets at all with an identifiable serial number. I sent this out to a researcher, and have a definite hit in the name. The researcher had to file a Freedom of Information Act request to have the file pulled. what I am hoping for is a definite timeline of when Sgt. Huerta served, and that should give us collectors something solid to work with in regards to the era of these types of stamps.

 

My feeling is somewhere in the Korea-pre/early Vietnam era, but let's see what the files indicates when it comes back.

I will post an update when more information becomes available.

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The thing is these don't show up in the 1958 Lebanon Crisis or in Training maneuvers from the early 60s. I mean I have 68 photos from the Lebanon Crisis and 115 from training maneuvers from the very early 1960s and I have not seen one.

 

-Josh

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craig_pickrall

I have a 1954 dated unit history for a unit stationed in Japan. I went through the whole book just looking for EGA's on helmet covers and see zero.

 

The first USMC camo cover I ever got was in 1955 and it came direct from a local USMC reserve center. It does have the EGA stencil.

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This topic is probably too old to generate any new interest, but I occasionally see references to the below picture as some sort of documentation that EGA's were stamped on helmet covers in WWII. This picture was recently posted on another thread on this forum and is clearer than the one that appeared originally on this thread. Can someone please point out to me where the EGA is on this Marine's helmet cover? It is obviousl from the clearer picture that the helmet cover isn't even an HBT type cover, but rather a mosquito net cover with the loops around the lower portion.

 

For the record, I agree that the EGA's were stamped post WWII on WWII covers and appeared in the 1950's. It is not inconceivable that individual Marine's didn't adorn their cover with an EGA now and then, but in this picture, usually referred to as some sort of proof, it doesn't look like there is anything stamped on it to me.

 

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Close up image........where's the EGA?

 

There is no printed EGA in this picture. However... the marine 3rd from the left is wearing a chia pet on his head :w00t:

 

For the record I believe that covers with EGA's started to be seen around the mid 1950's.

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9095 Pte Alfred Fredrick NEWLAND, 7th Field Ambulance, 2 Division, AIF. WIA 16/11/16 France.
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