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It's a beautiful piece and appears to be righteous. Too bad there is no name attached to it. I suspect that this helmet was painted for the "veteran" as opposed to having been worn before his discharge. Probably in the 1920's. Just my 2-cents! Wish it was on my shelf!

Semper Fi....Bobgee


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"I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (Message sent by 1st Lt. Clifton B. Cates. USMC, 96th Co., Soissons, 19 July 1918 - later 19th Commandant of the Marine Corps 1948-1952)

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It's a beautiful piece and appears to be righteous. Too bad there is no name attached to it. I suspect that this helmet was painted for the "veteran" as opposed to having been worn before his discharge. Probably in the 1920's. Just my 2-cents! Wish it was on my shelf!

Semper Fi....Bobgee

 

Agree - and even for someone not into militaria, it is a marvelous piece of folk art.

 

There's a little more about this regiment in this thread: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...showtopic=28981



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This is the 3rd USMC helmet that I have seen painted in this fashion. It is my belief that these were done in France by local artisians around the French debarkations areas for our returning Marines. My gut says most likely done at

Camp Pontanezen at Brest, France. The 13th Regiment, U.S. Marines had a very large contingent stationed at this and other camps throughout the war. The following images show one of the similarly painted helmets that belongs to a uniform group that I previously posted on the forum. Mr. Ernst was at Brest for a while with the 13th Regiment.

 

Company "E" of the 3rd Army Composite Regiment was an ALL Marine Company. This was ( I think ) the only Marine Co. of the 3rd Army Composite Regiment.

 

If you notice the painted helmets across the front row; they are all painted with a very large star with Indian Head. There is no Batallion flashes as seen on "standard" painted USMC helmets.

 

This is the only Marine Composite Reg. helmet I've seen.

 

Look at some of the guys in the Co. photo. - Recognize any???

 

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PURCHASE ANY AND ALL ID'ED WW1 NAVY CORPSMAN OR PHYSICIAN GROUPINGS; MEDALS &/or UNIFORMS.

WW1 USMC ID'ED OFFICER'S GROUPS, esp. MARINE AVIATORS -

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LOOKING TO PURCHASE IDENTIFIED WW1 AVIATION GROUPINGS, INCLUDING MEDALS, UNIFORMS, STUDIO PHOTOS.

PURCHASE ANY AND ALL ID'ED WW1 NAVY CORPSMAN OR PHYSICIAN GROUPINGS; MEDALS &/or UNIFORMS.

WW1 USMC ID'ED OFFICER'S GROUPS, esp. MARINE AVIATORS -

ANY LARGE FORMAT 5X7 OR LARGER IMAGES OF MARINE OFFICERS & AERO PILOTS

 

 

Collecting/Preserving/Researching WW1 Marine Corps Items and WW1 Aviation Items

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"RETREAT HELL.....WE JUST GOT HERE"

 

LOOKING TO PURCHASE IDENTIFIED WW1 AVIATION GROUPINGS, INCLUDING MEDALS, UNIFORMS, STUDIO PHOTOS.

PURCHASE ANY AND ALL ID'ED WW1 NAVY CORPSMAN OR PHYSICIAN GROUPINGS; MEDALS &/or UNIFORMS.

WW1 USMC ID'ED OFFICER'S GROUPS, esp. MARINE AVIATORS -

ANY LARGE FORMAT 5X7 OR LARGER IMAGES OF MARINE OFFICERS & AERO PILOTS

 

 

Collecting/Preserving/Researching WW1 Marine Corps Items and WW1 Aviation Items

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"RETREAT HELL.....WE JUST GOT HERE"

 

LOOKING TO PURCHASE IDENTIFIED WW1 AVIATION GROUPINGS, INCLUDING MEDALS, UNIFORMS, STUDIO PHOTOS.

PURCHASE ANY AND ALL ID'ED WW1 NAVY CORPSMAN OR PHYSICIAN GROUPINGS; MEDALS &/or UNIFORMS.

WW1 USMC ID'ED OFFICER'S GROUPS, esp. MARINE AVIATORS -

ANY LARGE FORMAT 5X7 OR LARGER IMAGES OF MARINE OFFICERS & AERO PILOTS

 

 

Collecting/Preserving/Researching WW1 Marine Corps Items and WW1 Aviation Items

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"RETREAT HELL.....WE JUST GOT HERE"

 

LOOKING TO PURCHASE IDENTIFIED WW1 AVIATION GROUPINGS, INCLUDING MEDALS, UNIFORMS, STUDIO PHOTOS.

PURCHASE ANY AND ALL ID'ED WW1 NAVY CORPSMAN OR PHYSICIAN GROUPINGS; MEDALS &/or UNIFORMS.

WW1 USMC ID'ED OFFICER'S GROUPS, esp. MARINE AVIATORS -

ANY LARGE FORMAT 5X7 OR LARGER IMAGES OF MARINE OFFICERS & AERO PILOTS

 

 

Collecting/Preserving/Researching WW1 Marine Corps Items and WW1 Aviation Items

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"RETREAT HELL.....WE JUST GOT HERE"

 

LOOKING TO PURCHASE IDENTIFIED WW1 AVIATION GROUPINGS, INCLUDING MEDALS, UNIFORMS, STUDIO PHOTOS.

PURCHASE ANY AND ALL ID'ED WW1 NAVY CORPSMAN OR PHYSICIAN GROUPINGS; MEDALS &/or UNIFORMS.

WW1 USMC ID'ED OFFICER'S GROUPS, esp. MARINE AVIATORS -

ANY LARGE FORMAT 5X7 OR LARGER IMAGES OF MARINE OFFICERS & AERO PILOTS

 

 

Collecting/Preserving/Researching WW1 Marine Corps Items and WW1 Aviation Items

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This is the 3rd USMC helmet that I have seen painted in this fashion. It is my belief that these were done in France by local artisians around the French debarkations areas for our returning Marines. My gut says most likely done at

Camp Pontanezen at Brest, France. The 13th Regiment, U.S. Marines had a very large contingent stationed at this and other camps throughout the war. The following images show one of the similarly painted helmets that belongs to a uniform group that I previously posted on the forum. Mr. Ernst was at Brest for a while with the 13th Regiment.

 

Company "E" of the 3rd Army Composite Regiment was an ALL Marine Company. This was ( I think ) the only Marine Co. of the 3rd Army Composite Regiment.

 

If you notice the painted helmets across the front row; they are all painted with a very large star with Indian Head. There is no Batallion flashes as seen on "standard" painted USMC helmets.

 

This is the only Marine Composite Reg. helmet I've seen.

 

Look at some of the guys in the Co. photo. - Recognize any???

 

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Indeed! - Clifton Cates is to his left.

 

DJ


"RETREAT HELL.....WE JUST GOT HERE"

 

LOOKING TO PURCHASE IDENTIFIED WW1 AVIATION GROUPINGS, INCLUDING MEDALS, UNIFORMS, STUDIO PHOTOS.

PURCHASE ANY AND ALL ID'ED WW1 NAVY CORPSMAN OR PHYSICIAN GROUPINGS; MEDALS &/or UNIFORMS.

WW1 USMC ID'ED OFFICER'S GROUPS, esp. MARINE AVIATORS -

ANY LARGE FORMAT 5X7 OR LARGER IMAGES OF MARINE OFFICERS & AERO PILOTS

 

 

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Awesome shot!!!


Regards,

 

Michael Sweeney--Researcher and Collector of WW2 77TH Division

If you have any named items to a 77th Division Soldier please contact me!!!

 

In memoroy of my Grandfather

Eugene Henry Sweeney

1st Lieutenant of the 306th

Infantry Regiment Company L -

Veteran of Guam and Leyte

 

 

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Dennis,

Do you think that the helmet would have been painted here in the States after all the parades and service for this Marine? Could this be a souvenir helmet that was made painted in France? The helmets in the yardlong photo appear to have just the 2nd Div star and no EGA. The photo was taken in Washington right after the final parade in DC. I don't think that a Marine could have gotten away with wearing this helmet unless all the helmets were painted in the same manner. Bobgee has a helmet from one of the Marines that looks like the ones in the photo. Dennis what type of patch did they wear? Was it just a star and no background like the helmet?

 

This is an amazing helmet.

 

The Composite Regiment was made of 5 companies, I assume that they were:

Company A, 1st Division

Company B, 2nd Division

Company C, 3rd Division

Company D, 4th Division

Company E, Marine Company


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Enrique,

 

It is my opinion that these helmets were painted in France. The three that I have seen are too similar to be painted (or have painted) by the Marine in the 1920’s after they came home. I think that these were done by artists and souvenir sellers in the debarkation areas in the summer of 1919 for all the returning doughboys. Another possibility would be that they were painted shipboard, but these guys returned home at different times. - Maybe the same sailor on the same transport? - Unless these guys were neighbors back in the states they could not have seen each others artwork. However, one can’t rule out that they were painted at a 2nd Div. reunion, but I have never seen a non-Marine 2nd Div. helmet painted in this stylized manner, nor have I seen another Composite Regiment helmet from another division painted like this from any other division. I think this is strictly a Marine Corps helmet.

 

As you can see in the group photo, the helmets were smooth and somewhat “glossy” in appearance. They are all the same which causes me to believe that they were painted exclusively for Co. E.

 

I will get a better shot of the SSI to post. They are all the same in the image with background colors under the star. I’ll try to get that done today.

 

Again, this is only my ideas on these helmets. It’s like belly buttons however – we all have’em.

 

Best, Dennis

 

We beat that one up, huh?


"RETREAT HELL.....WE JUST GOT HERE"

 

LOOKING TO PURCHASE IDENTIFIED WW1 AVIATION GROUPINGS, INCLUDING MEDALS, UNIFORMS, STUDIO PHOTOS.

PURCHASE ANY AND ALL ID'ED WW1 NAVY CORPSMAN OR PHYSICIAN GROUPINGS; MEDALS &/or UNIFORMS.

WW1 USMC ID'ED OFFICER'S GROUPS, esp. MARINE AVIATORS -

ANY LARGE FORMAT 5X7 OR LARGER IMAGES OF MARINE OFFICERS & AERO PILOTS

 

 

Collecting/Preserving/Researching WW1 Marine Corps Items and WW1 Aviation Items

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From the collection of forum member "GWS"

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Some stunning pots here guys, I don't think i've seen such variety before! The camouflage ones are just beautiful. Great thread!


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This 1st Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment helmet sold on ebay last night = $810

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The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps. (General A. A. Vandegrift, USMC, 5 May 1946)

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These are all beautiful helmets. I wanted to share with you a photo that I just found in an old magazine. It was taken on the USS George Washington, in New York, as the 5th Marines were getting ready to disembark the ship. The reason I think that it is important is that it proves that MOST of the helmets were not painted in New York as was originally thought. MOST helmets had to have been painted in France prior to the 2nd Div leaving France or on the ships enroute to the states. The 3rd Compostie Regiment already had their helmets painted for both parades in London and Paris in July of 1919. The 2nd Div left France in August 1919 so I would guess that they would have painted their helmets prior to the 2nd Div departing France. The photo also shows that not all USMC helmets had the EGA attached to their helmets. I think that EGA's would have been hard to come by and the only way you could have had one on your helmet would have been if you had an extra one, or you would take the one off you piss cover on and off as needed.

 

Their are other variations of helmets because I would think that all the 2nd Div members (mostly casualties) who left prior August 1919 would have seen the helmets painted in the parades or when the units were getting discharged and they would have surely wanted to have theirs painted in the same way. Different artists....different styles. Gentlemen let me know what you think.

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Enrique, your theory about the EGA use on the helmet and overseas cover certainly sounds plausible to me. s/f Darrell



The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps. (General A. A. Vandegrift, USMC, 5 May 1946)

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Enrique, your theory about the EGA use on the helmet and overseas cover certainly sounds plausible to me. s/f Darrell

 

I am new to USMC WWI painted helmets. My area of expertise is the USMC WWI Scout Snipers and their rifles. I noticed that the shape of the background (diamond, circle, square) and its color seems to designate specific Battalions or units. Is there a list of the different identifications of same?

 

I am interested in the Intelligence Sections, of which the Scout Snipers were an integral part. The Scout Snipers ( they called themselves the SOS for "Scout Observer Sniper", which also was an acronym for Supply/Services) were all Marine Snipers were carried on the Muster Rolls as members of their original Companies, which no designation as to their assignment to Intelligence (normally). I have identified several hundred WWI Scout Snipers by name (most of the ones trained at the OSD and many of the combat Snipers with the 5th and 6th Regiments), and in some instances, I even have their pictures.

 

My second question is did the Intelligence Sections have their own identifying helmet insignia? I have a USMC helmet with just a red diamond on the front - no EGA. What Battalion would that signify?

 

Sorry to ask so many questions, but I was directed to this fantastic forum by a friend, and I have been amazed at the stuff you guys own. I am very envious, and can see dollars flying away.

 

Incidentally, if you have a named helmet, I can crosscheck it against my list of snipers, gratis. Please contact me directly by email - zevron@intrstar.net - to avoid taking up forum space for this service. There was a large number of Scout Snipers with the 5th and 6th Marine Regiments, and I do not have all their names - yet.

 

I am looking for stuff that belonged to a specific WWI Sniper with the 6th Marines - Corporal Fred S. Truitt (I have his very unique rifle). Any help would be appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Jim Tarleton

Old Marine

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Jim;

 

Hope this helps some. The attached picture is the 4th Brigade info:

 

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Jon B

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Always looking for information on the USMC from 1916 - 1920, exp the 11th Company in Haiti and in WW1, 4th 5th, HQ Company.

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