WW2 HBT?

[huntssurplus]

Hello,

 

I decided to buy an HBT I found on eBay. I believe it to be a late war 3rd pattern HBT because of the plastic buttons, and I was wondering if it was WW2 era and if it was original. I was also wondering if i bought it for a good price.

Thanks!
Hunt

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-U-S-ARMY-HERRINGBONE-TWILL-JACKET-SPECIAL-Small-Very-Nice/312019013542?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2750.l2649

[FT.Monmouth1943]

Post WWII. Not sure if the date is legible, but it's probably dated 1947.

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M1947 HBT shirt, worn from the late 40s-late 50s. GI as opposed to an Army-Navy store type, buttons seen can be plastic as yours is, Black or OD tack buttons of the two types, Dished with laurel leaf and or the more common, burst of glory.

[huntssurplus]

Post WWII. Not sure if the date is legible, but it's probably dated 1947.

 

 

M1947 HBT shirt, worn from the late 40s-late 50s. GI as opposed to an Army-Navy store type, buttons seen can be plastic as yours is, Black or OD tack buttons of the two types, Dished with laurel leaf and or the more common, burst of glory.

 

Thanks for the help, so most likely Korean War, another question, when were these replaced?

 

Thanks

Hunt

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Thanks for the help, so most likely Korean War, another question, when were these replaced?

 

Thanks

Hunt

Replaced as in superseded, that would be really by the mid 1950s by the 1st pattern OG 107 Cotton Sateen fatiques, this as the standard issue fatigues for basic trainees. BUT these M1947 and even the earlier M1943 shirts and even in some cases though rare, the M1941 HBT shirt, still were worn by all those who had them well into the mid 50s.

 

Like here we see two examples of a M1943 HBT fatique shirt worn well into the 50s, with the M1943 shirt, they just didn't wear the M1943 Cargo pocket pants anymore, just the M1947 HBT pants, which were the same design as the 1st pattern cotton sateen pants.

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And when these older M1943 shirts were worn in the 50s, not in Korea during the war, but in Garrison, that Gas Flap was in the overwhelming majority of cases, removed, as it was considered unnecessary and lent the shirt to a less streamlined appearance, and interfered with the wearing of branch scarfs and if no scarf was worn, then the obscuring of view of the White T-Shirt.

[huntssurplus]

Replaced as in superseded, that would be really by the mid 1950s by the 1st pattern OG 107 Cotton Sateen fatiques, this as the standard issue fatigues for basic trainees. BUT these M1947 and even the earlier M1943 shirts and even in some cases though rare, the M1941 HBT shirt, still were worn by all those who had them well into the mid 50s.

 

Like here we see two examples of a M1943 HBT fatique shirt worn well into the 50s, with the M1943 shirt, they just didn't wear the M1943 Cargo pocket pants anymore, just the M1947 HBT pants, which were the same design as the 1st pattern cotton sateen pants.

 

 

And when these older M1943 shirts were worn in the 50s, not in Korea during the war, but in Garrison, that Gas Flap was in the overwhelming majority of cases, removed, as it was considered unnecessary and lent the shirt to a less streamlined appearance, and interfered with the wearing of branch scarfs and if no scarf was worn, then the obscuring of view of the White T-Shirt.

 

Thanks for the info! I was looking for more of a WW2 era HBT as I wanted to start a Pacific Army display but, I also collect Korean War era items so this should fit into my collection. I'm curious though about how much one of these are worth. And how much is the previous WW2 era HBT's are worth?

 

Thanks again for the help patches!

Hunt

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The M1947 HBT shirt along with it's matching pants

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/48133-mint-1947-pattern-hbt-fatigues/

[huntssurplus]

The M1947 HBT shirt along with it's matching pants

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/48133-mint-1947-pattern-hbt-fatigues/

 

That was a great deal he got those for.

 

Hunt

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Thanks for the info! I was looking for more of a WW2 era HBT as I wanted to start a Pacific Army display but, I also collect Korean War era items so this should fit into my collection. I'm curious though about how much one of these are worth. And how much is the previous WW2 era HBT's are worth?

 

Thanks again for the help patches!

Hunt

I don't know about prices, i always pay what they want, now if they wanted a hundred bucks, that's different

[huntssurplus]

I don't know about prices, i always pay what they want, now if they wanted a hundred bucks, that's different

 

Yeah $100 seems a bit pricey, i'm pretty happy though with $20, especially since I bought it with multiple other items so the $18 in shipping works out.

 

Hunt

[doyler]

Here is a WW2 M43 hbt that was modified to fit the new specs by the wearer.The large bellows pockets were removed and converted to the short pockets.The outline of the other pockets is still visible in hand.Also the gas flap was removed.

 

 

 

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Yeah $100 seems a bit pricey, i'm pretty happy though with $20, especially since I bought it with multiple other items so the $18 in shipping works out.

 

Hunt

That's good.

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To add more of the M1943 shirts modified to the M1947 pocket configuration.

 

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And one more of the old M1943, Un-modified, worn in the 50s.

 

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The one bitch about the modified M1943s is that if they had metal tack buttons they could be removed from the inside that hclosed the gas flaps as we see, sewn buttons no problem, they just removed the sewn buttons.

[iron bender]

I've owned two WW2 hbt shirts that were converted to Ike style jackets in the 50's. One 3rd ID the other 2nd ID. Both had cig pockets added to the left sleeve. Damn I wish I still had them. Patches, those two examples are incredible. Love the name tapes!

[huntssurplus]

Here is a WW2 M43 hbt that was modified to fit the new specs by the wearer.The large bellows pockets were removed and converted to the short pockets.The outline of the other pockets is still visible in hand.Also the gas flap was removed.

 

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To add more of the M1943 shirts modified to the M1947 pocket configuration.

 

 

 

And one more of the old M1943, Un-modified, worn in the 50s.

 

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The one bitch about the modified M1943s is that if they had metal tack buttons they could be removed from the inside that hclosed the gas flaps as we see, sewn buttons no problem, they just removed the sewn buttons.

I actually bid on what i now believe to be a modified m43 as the pockets were small like these but it had the metal 13 star buttons. I didn't win as it went for about $35 + $8 shipping at least to my area, it had patches at some point in its life but they had all been removed. I didn't think it was quite worth it especially since I didn't really have a lot of knowledge on it.

 

I've owned two WW2 hbt shirts that were converted to Ike style jackets in the 50's. One 3rd ID the other 2nd ID. Both had cig pockets added to the left sleeve. Damn I wish I still had them. Patches, those two examples are incredible. Love the name tapes!

Do you still have pictures of them? I would love to see some!

 

Hunt

[Colt.45-94]

Bumping this old thread, This is another WWII pattern HBT shirt that was modified to be a M1947 pattern.

 

If has the typical tack-on 13-star metal buttons. Looks like it originally had the large, pleated type pockets. The stitching pulled and re-sewn. The collar cut and repaired. The button adjustable cuffs have cut off and replaced too. E4 Rank and 3rd Armored Division DUI, name tape removed. The pocket marker info tag is gone.