juodonnell2012 Posted November 16, 2017 Share #1 Posted November 16, 2017 Hello everyone I just won this cover off of eBay. It went for higher than I hoped but I'm still happy with it! Based off the pattern and stitching it looks good to me. What does everyone else think? Sent from my SM-J727V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtdorango Posted November 16, 2017 Share #2 Posted November 16, 2017 Looks right as rain and stone cold mint condition!....mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidercollector Posted November 16, 2017 Share #3 Posted November 16, 2017 I was watching that one. That is a mint good one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksmith Posted November 16, 2017 Share #4 Posted November 16, 2017 No issues there, 100% right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byf41 Posted November 17, 2017 Share #5 Posted November 17, 2017 Nice one . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdk0911 Posted November 17, 2017 Share #6 Posted November 17, 2017 spot on - great cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfishcraig Posted November 17, 2017 Share #7 Posted November 17, 2017 Congrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corpsmancollector Posted November 17, 2017 Share #8 Posted November 17, 2017 No issues. It's a good one. Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted November 17, 2017 Share #9 Posted November 17, 2017 All ok Unissued 1 st pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juodonnell2012 Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share #10 Posted November 17, 2017 Thanks for the comments gentlemen! I'm wondering what the best way to display this one is. Should I loosely drape it on a helmet or put it in one of my cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juodonnell2012 Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share #11 Posted November 17, 2017 Also I've been digging through the "rethinking the norm" thread on these covers and it left me slightly confused. Are these covers good for my late war (Iwo/Oki) display? Or are they considered post war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted November 17, 2017 Share #12 Posted November 17, 2017 Also I've been digging through the "rethinking the norm" thread on these covers and it left me slightly confused. Are these covers good for my late war (Iwo/Oki) display? Or are they considered post war? This is a 1st pattern Camo cover early War , Good for Iwo Jima and Okinawa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 17, 2017 Share #13 Posted November 17, 2017 First pattern is just a collector's term, the date of manufacture for this pattern is unknown to my knowledge, but they seem to be more common late war and in Korea. Nice cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted November 18, 2017 Share #14 Posted November 18, 2017 First pattern is just a collector's term, the date of manufacture for this pattern is unknown to my knowledge, but they seem to be more common late war and in Korea. Nice cover. Not sure about this being late War as the foliage slit covers where the norm for later covers. The Korean War blue anchor covers have foliage slits , I believe this to be the first pattern as after this pattern all had foliage slits. D.C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken88 Posted November 18, 2017 Share #15 Posted November 18, 2017 I bought my so-called third pattern cover from Pieter Oosterman. In the ad Pieter used a drawing that seemed to prove that the third pattern cover is actually the first pattern. It was a drawing from ca. 1942 that showed marine covers with slits and button holes in the flaps. I still don't know what to believe. However I do agree with everyone else in that this particular cover is 100% original. Nice score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted November 18, 2017 Share #16 Posted November 18, 2017 I bought my so-called third pattern cover from Pieter Oosterman. In the ad Pieter used a drawing that seemed to prove that the third pattern cover is actually the first pattern. It was a drawing from ca. 1942 that showed marine covers with slits and button holes in the flaps. I still don't know what to believe. However I do agree with everyone else in that this particular cover is 100% original. Nice score! I think as the cover evolved foliage slits where added. Ive added some pics from my reference books , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted November 18, 2017 Share #17 Posted November 18, 2017 Book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted November 18, 2017 Share #18 Posted November 18, 2017 More Info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted November 18, 2017 Share #19 Posted November 18, 2017 As no one can be 100% sure on what order the patterns actually where issued first , I look at the 1953 anchor variant and see that it has slits for foliage thus thinking this was a later pattern adopted as the Camo covers evolved. Just my opinion on it D.C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken88 Posted November 18, 2017 Share #20 Posted November 18, 2017 It really makes sense. Still, his drawing showed a cover with the slits and button holes and it was dated 1942. I guess they must have made a mistake or something, or it could have been a prototype, or, maybe they just started production of different models simultaneously, early in the war. But it definitely makes sense that the slits for twigs and foliage were an improvement which would mean that those covers are of a later pattern. Hadn't thought of it that way. Thanks! Ken Edit: Makes me wonder though, camouflage on an already camouflaged cover? Maybe some manufacturers just didn't think that was necessary? Wish I could show that drawing but I didn't save it to my computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCDUFF Posted November 18, 2017 Share #21 Posted November 18, 2017 Collectors terminology and photographic evidence are needed here. This has been discussed before on the forum at length. However, this is a beautiful original late war cover in my opinion!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelDM Posted November 18, 2017 Share #22 Posted November 18, 2017 It really makes sense. Still, his drawing showed a cover with the slits and button holes and it was dated 1942. I guess they must have made a mistake or something, or it could have been a prototype, or, maybe they just started production of different models simultaneously, early in the war. But it definitely makes sense that the slits for twigs and foliage were an improvement which would mean that those covers are of a later pattern. Hadn't thought of it that way. Thanks! Ken Edit: Makes me wonder though, camouflage on an already camouflaged cover? Maybe some manufacturers just didn't think that was necessary? Wish I could show that drawing but I didn't save it to my computer. Just had a friend email me with some info that the covers with foliage slits might actually be first covers although no solid evidence. This will be a mystery untill the actual blueprints that are dated come to light , Im on the fence still with it. Thanks for the input Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juodonnell2012 Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share #23 Posted November 18, 2017 Thanks for the info. I looked around the forum and found a few solid vet bring backs from iwo jima with no foliage slits as well as photos from IWO with no slits as well. It seems these covers are veiled in a bit of mystery but right now evidence points to them being later war. Either way im very happy to add this one to my collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei Posted November 18, 2017 Share #24 Posted November 18, 2017 Very nice mint cover, you did well winning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 18, 2017 Share #25 Posted November 18, 2017 More Info This book printed a flaw, it states the covers with slits are from late 1943 which is incorrect. A possibility that has been bounced around was that as the war progressed and the ETO came to an end that the slits were removed to speed up production to supply the mass troop increase in the PTO. Would be really cool if someone found a doc on these covers too. Nice cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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