BSRmilitaria Posted November 5, 2017 Share #1 Posted November 5, 2017 Hi guys, I recently found this liner at an estate sale and have a few questions. Whats the best way to date these? Also, ive seen these fire helmet repaints on Post German WWII helmets, but is this common to find in the USA? Thanks for the help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iron bender Posted November 5, 2017 Share #4 Posted November 5, 2017 That is one weird duck in my opinion. WW2 hardware and webbing with post war neck strap webbing, appears not to have a grommet hole front center. You may need to pull the foam back a bit on interior to see maker's mark. Positive someone here has better insight into this particular liner…. thanks for posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSRmilitaria Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share #5 Posted November 5, 2017 That is one weird duck in my opinion. WW2 hardware and webbing with post war neck strap webbing, appears not to have a grommet hole front center. You may need to pull the foam back a bit on interior to see maker's mark. Positive someone here has better insight into this particular liner…. thanks for posting! I appreciate the response! When I am back home I will let everyone know the maker mark. Thanks for all the help!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSRmilitaria Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share #6 Posted November 5, 2017 This liner is marked W 5. Any idea what this is? Thanks again for the help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted November 5, 2017 Share #7 Posted November 5, 2017 The 'W' is the maker Westinghouse and the '5' is the mold number that the fibreglass liner was formed in. The webbing is WWII and not post-war; I owned liners that had a slight OD shade webbing. This liner is a typical late war issue (1944-1945) with triple weave webbing on the suspension and double weave on the nape area; the factory was using up all the webbing stocks to web the liner, very common to see this on mid/late WWII Liners. Sweatband and leather liner chinstrap are also WWII issue. Also very common to see WWII helmets and liners re-used post-war for fire fighters, police, miners, VFW etc. like this liner was. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSRmilitaria Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share #8 Posted November 6, 2017 The 'W' is the maker Westinghouse and the '5' is the mold number that the fibreglass liner was formed in. The webbing is WWII and not post-war; I owned liners that had a slight OD shade webbing. This liner is a typical late war issue (1944-1945) with triple weave webbing on the suspension and double weave on the nape area; the factory was using up all the webbing stocks to web the liner, very common to see this on mid/late WWII Liners. Sweatband and leather liner chinstrap are also WWII issue. Also very common to see WWII helmets and liners re-used post-war for fire fighters, police, miners, VFW etc. like this liner was. Pat Thanks Pat for the help! This is very useful! William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlymb Posted November 6, 2017 Share #9 Posted November 6, 2017 I think I might see the grommet hole under the decal, just under the tip of the inner black triangle and above the top of the yellow symbol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted November 6, 2017 Share #10 Posted November 6, 2017 IIRC there there are a fair number of WWII liners that are missing the front eyelet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted November 6, 2017 Share #11 Posted November 6, 2017 The grommet could also have been removed and hole filled in; best way to check is to lift the webbing and take a peek from the inside. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSRmilitaria Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share #12 Posted November 7, 2017 Forgive me for asking, but what is a grommet hole? Sorry about that! Im still trying to learn the terminology. Thank you for the help. William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted November 7, 2017 Share #13 Posted November 7, 2017 Forgive me for asking, but what is a grommet hole? Sorry about that! Im still trying to learn the terminology. Thank you for the help. William No need to apologise! The WWII low pressure and higher pressure liners had a small hole in the front used to attach rank or branch insignia, this feature was eliminated after WWII. Also called eyelets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john k Posted November 7, 2017 Share #14 Posted November 7, 2017 I keep wondering about the exact color of the webbing. It looks to my eye like it could be the in-between OG#3 and OG#7 color seen on some post war euro liners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted November 7, 2017 Share #15 Posted November 7, 2017 I keep wondering about the exact color of the webbing. It looks to my eye like it could be the in-between OG#3 and OG#7 color seen on some post war euro liners? Here is my early WWII St Clair liner, note the webbing is same triple weave and a bit darker shade of OD. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted November 7, 2017 Share #16 Posted November 7, 2017 Material comparison of WWII and Korean War nape straps. There were many shades of material in WWII but Korean War was a distinct dark OD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi65 Posted November 7, 2017 Share #17 Posted November 7, 2017 Here's my mid-war, green A-washer, Westinghouse liner with THBT nape webbing and SHBT crown webbing. Different shades too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john k Posted November 7, 2017 Share #18 Posted November 7, 2017 Material comparison of WWII and Korean War nape straps. There were many shades of material in WWII but Korean War was a distinct dark OD. I was talking about the in-between color that is somewhere, well, in-between the WW2 vs Post war samples in the picture. I think it's post war Belgian webbing that I'm referring to. I may just be seeing it wrong, but that's what I thought I was seeing?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben@HI Posted November 7, 2017 Share #19 Posted November 7, 2017 The 'W' is the maker Westinghouse and the '5' is the mold number that the fibreglass liner was formed in. The webbing is WWII and not post-war; I owned liners that had a slight OD shade webbing. This liner is a typical late war issue (1944-1945) with triple weave webbing on the suspension and double weave on the nape area; the factory was using up all the webbing stocks to web the liner, very common to see this on mid/late WWII Liners. Sweatband and leather liner chinstrap are also WWII issue. Also very common to see WWII helmets and liners re-used post-war for fire fighters, police, miners, VFW etc. like this liner was. Pat Resin permeated 8oz cotton canvas duct. Not fiberglass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted November 7, 2017 Share #20 Posted November 7, 2017 Resin permeated 8oz cotton canvas duct. Not fiberglass. Yes, I had a brain fart at that moment and forgot the actual material so used fiberglass instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 8, 2017 Share #21 Posted November 8, 2017 No need to apologise! The WWII low pressure and higher pressure liners had a small hole in the front used to attach rank or branch insignia, this feature was eliminated after WWII. Also called eyelets. The grommet hole was actually deleted from the production process in 1955. So Korean war liners with #7 OD HBT also sport them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted November 8, 2017 Share #22 Posted November 8, 2017 The grommet hole was actually deleted from the production process in 1955. So Korean war liners with #7 OD HBT also sport them. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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