WW1 helmet help.

[tdogchristy90]

Hey all,

 

So I trust Dan on the authenticity of the helmet. I'm more curious about the story of the helmet. It appears to be from the 35th division and has an ID on the strap. Here's what I can't figure....

 

There is no H. Tibbs in the 130th machine gun Roster.

 

The ID says "H. Tibbs 130th Inf"

 

If he was infantry I find it strange that the "130" would also match the 130th Machine Gun of the 35th that's on the helmet. Maybe a type?

 

I also see in one of the photos it looks like a circle was painted over, maybe a repaint?

 

I trust the authenticity of the helmet. I'm more or less trying to pin down a "story" of why the helmet looks and is ID'd in the manner it is.

 

http://griffinmilitaria.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=22556&cat=21&page=1&search=&since=0&status=&title=

 

Thanks.

[aef1917]

The insignia on the helmet is for the 140th Infantry Regiment, which matches with the Cpl. Harry Tibbs listed in the roster for the 140th. The infantry regiments of the 35th Division had insignia on their helmets during the summer of 1918, while some of the other elements of the division do not appear to have painted them until after the Armistice, just before Gen. Pershing inspected the division. It's entirely possible that this helmet got a new coat of paint and insignia at that time.

[tdogchristy90]

The insignia on the helmet is for the 140th Infantry Regiment, which matches with the Cpl. Harry Tibbs listed in the roster for the 140th. The infantry regiments of the 35th Division had insignia on their helmets during the summer of 1918, while some of the other elements of the division do not appear to have painted them until after the Armistice, just before Gen. Pershing inspected the division. It's entirely possible that this helmet got a new coat of paint and insignia at that time.

Ok. so then the wording (both in the listing and on the helmet itself could be a typo of sorts) cause it says it's the 130th machine gun, not the 140th Infantry. (The listing mentions the 130th machine gun, the writing on the helmet says "H. Tibbs 130th INF") I'll get in touch with Dan see what I can find out.

 

At least you confirming a H Tibbs being in the 35th is much appreciated. Now I just need to figure out the "mix up" about the 130th vs 140th.

 

Thank you.

[AustinO]

[aznation]

From Doniphan to Verdun: The Official History of the 140th Infantry

By Evan Alexander Edwards

 

 

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https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Tibbs&GSfn=Harry&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=127995395&df=all&

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WW1 Draft Registration

[tdogchristy90]

Thanks a lot. I'm still unsure why the listing would mention the 130th. 130th is written on the strap apparently. So I'll have to see and find out.

[aznation]

WW1 US Army Transport Passenger List

 

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WW1 US Army Transport Passenger List

 

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Southeast Missourian - Out of the Past

 

 

[aznation]

TIBBS, Harry of Cape.

HQ Co. 6th Inf. Mo. GG HQ Co. 140th Inf. to discharge.

Rank: Sergeant; April 1919.

Overseas 25 Apr 1918 to 28 Apr 1919.

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The boys in Dr. Schuchert's band (Look at this Blog)

Posted Tuesday, May 31, 2016, at 12:00 AM

http://www.semissourian.com/blogs/fromthemorgue/entry/65926

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On 29 June 1917, the regiment was reactivated for service in the First World War when it consolidated with elements of the 3rd Missouri to create the 140th Infantry Regiment in October 1917. The new regiment was assigned to the 35th Infantry Division.

 

From Doniphan to Verdun: The Official History of the 140th Infantry

By Evan Alexander Edwards

 

It's clear from this passage in the above mentioned book that the 130th and other units of the 35th Division fought alongside the men of the 140th Infantry of which Harry Tibbs belonged.