INIMICUS Posted November 2, 2017 Share #1 Posted November 2, 2017 FROM A WWII / KORWAR, INFANTRY LT. ESTATE LINER IS SEAMAN (CIRCLE 'S' AND NUMBER '3') WITH GRAY A CLIPS AND HBT WEBBING SO EARLY WW2 RIGHT? PAINTED MOST LIKELY IN THE 50s I'D GUESS. WHERE THERE'S A CHIP OR 2 IN THE GLOSS GREEN I SEE DARKER GREEN UNDERNEATH. YELLOW STRIPE = TRAINING OFFIER, CORRECT? BUT WHAT STUMPS ME REALLY IS THE (HAND-PAINTED) TRIANGULAR INSIGNIA. WHAT'S 'CGR' OR 'CCR' AND '3' ?? SOMEONE PLEASE HELP. THANKS FOR LOOKING! PIX IN 2 POSTS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INIMICUS Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share #2 Posted November 2, 2017 LAST 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INIMICUS Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted November 2, 2017 yea I know odd twisty nape strap but it's been like that 'forever' ! thanks again for the assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted November 2, 2017 Share #4 Posted November 2, 2017 You may want to post it here http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/19550-marked-helmet-liners-the-unsung-hero-of-the-m-1/page-2?hl=unsung Post #46 shows a similar one Yours could stand for Combat Command R? Hard to say. Seems some are Armored related or Armored Infantry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72psb Posted November 2, 2017 Share #5 Posted November 2, 2017 Credence Clearwater Revival! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INIMICUS Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share #6 Posted November 2, 2017 thanks a million gents I'll move it there. am I right in dating this to the, what? '41-'42 period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 2, 2017 Share #7 Posted November 2, 2017 thanks a million gents I'll move it there. am I right in dating this to the, what? '41-'42 period? More likely 44-45 production due to the black A washers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INIMICUS Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share #8 Posted November 2, 2017 actually washers are gray and look like unfinished or phosphate-coated, or zinc coated steel or whatever. and if the liner is late we expct the darker, greenish webbing not the tan HBT, yes? or were there transition periods where makers used whatever was at hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 2, 2017 Share #9 Posted November 2, 2017 Guess my eyes must be bad. In the last photo of post two the washers look like later black washers. My mistake, disregard my post. No. You don't see OD#7 webbing until the 1950s. And later 50s and early 60s it turned into heavy cotton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben@HI Posted November 2, 2017 Share #10 Posted November 2, 2017 Washers look to be oxidized brass which would have originally been black. 44-45 is a probably right on the money.they just look gray from dust mixing with the oxidization. look at the tops of the A washers for the nape suspension you can see dull exposed brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INIMICUS Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share #11 Posted November 2, 2017 hey thanks for the addl. intelligence. tho it still leaves the Q. of why Seaman mixed late war washers with early webbing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben@HI Posted November 2, 2017 Share #12 Posted November 2, 2017 that's normal SHBT in OD3. This was used from 42 up to just before Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted November 2, 2017 Share #13 Posted November 2, 2017 hey thanks for the addl. intelligence. tho it still leaves the Q. of why Seaman mixed late war washers with early webbing? The webbing is not "early" all late war liners are made with black washers and OD#3 webbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted November 2, 2017 Share #14 Posted November 2, 2017 Credence Clearwater Revival! Well thank God I wasn't the only one who's first thought had more to do with great music than with something military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Detective Posted November 2, 2017 Share #15 Posted November 2, 2017 Great lookin liner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben@HI Posted November 2, 2017 Share #16 Posted November 2, 2017 Just to clarify, early wedding would be silver rayon, later OD3 was used and the early version of that had snaps for the Riddell style sweatband. The version you have came about in late 42 or early 43 (can't remember off the top of my head) and was used until OD7 (green webbing) replaced it post war sometime around 1950. Unlike other gear liner webbing did not change to Green during the war. I know most canvas items did and it confuses a number of collector's especially ones that are experienced with gear so I just wanted to make it clear what's going on. Looking at your liner it is a typical 44-45 production liner. Nothing about the way it's made is out of the ordinary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfishcraig Posted November 2, 2017 Share #17 Posted November 2, 2017 Similar liners were discussed here: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/273470-pls-help-identifying-insignia-on-m1-liner/?fromsearch=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted November 2, 2017 Share #18 Posted November 2, 2017 Similar liners were discussed here: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/273470-pls-help-identifying-insignia-on-m1-liner/?fromsearch=1 +1 Appears to be a near identical liner in the photo montage that GITom posted (reposting for reference): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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