Army to Revisit "Pinks and Greens?"

[Justin B.]

On 12/20/2021 at 7:31 AM, FriarChuck said:

But quit stealing our heritage and put a stiffener back in your damn wheel caps! (And yes, I know others besides the AAF sometimes adopted the famed 50 mission crush).

 

I wouldn't take too much offense; if that was the intent I'd say it backfired on them. But if their goal was something that looked like a weird knockoff imitation of an AAF crusher, then they were quite successful.

[seanmc1114]

General Laura J. Richardson, new commander of Southern Command. Call me old fashioned, but I'm not a fan of women wearing neckties.

[seanmc1114]

May 2021 graduate of Texas Tech ROTC. No insult intended, but this guy looks so young it reminded me of a Bill Mauldin cartoon from World War II. 

[McDermut99]

On 12/23/2021 at 3:42 PM, seanmc1114 said:

May 2021 graduate of Texas Tech ROTC. No insult intended, but this guy looks so young it reminded me of a Bill Mauldin cartoon from World War II. 

 

 

Hey I remember him from when I was in the program there! He was a good leader and knew his stuff, also pretty down to earth. Happy to see him earn his commision. He does seem to fit with the cartoon well, no insult intended as well.

https://www.depts.ttu.edu/armyrotc/alumni.php

[seanmc1114]

Logistics Corps officer of the 103rd Sustainment Command. Note that he is wearing the Pathfinder Badge but no jump wings. 

[easterneagle87]

36 minutes ago, seanmc1114 said:

Logistics Corps officer of the 103rd Sustainment Command. Note that he is wearing the Pathfinder Badge but no jump wings. 

 

One comment about the officer wearing the Pathfinder badge without Airborne wings. This does occur. Pathfinders are used to layout out "landing zones". Helicopters use "LZ's" all the time. No need for chutes there, however....most Pathfinders are Airborne qualified. When I was with the 101st, there was a Warrant officer who , for some reason, didn't get into airborne school, BUT next thing we see , he has returned with a Pathfinder badge. Three weeks of training, is three weeks of training! 

[seanmc1114]

Soldiers of the 197th Infantry Brigade (OSUT) at Fort Benning, Georgia wearing the short sleeve shirt in 2021.

[patches]

New colored NAME Plates are coming out, no more Black ones that have been used since the late 50s, the new ones will be Brown.

 

https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2022-02-01/army-green-service-uniform-nameplate-pinks-and-greens-4506819.html

[seanmc1114]

Here is a link to a .pdf showing all of the elements of the new Army Green Service Uniform. Not only is there an optional Ike jacket, but there are a pullover sweater, windbreaker and leather bomber jacket as well.

 

https://publicaffairs-sme.com/Community/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/AGSU-How-to-Wear.pdf

[patches]

Man if I was in today I would try and wear as many WWII Items as I could when in this dress, mostly on leave, like the old GI Overcoat (with the OD Buttons to make it a little less noticeable then the Brass ones) and of course the Service Cap 

 

 

[patches]

Man this sketch looks like a Ralph Kramden Bus Driver uniform 

[seanmc1114]

Commanding general of the 82nd Airborne Division wearing the Ike Jacket version. Note that he is wearing his jump wings above his ribbons and his Combat Infantryman Badge on his pocket flap like airborne troops often did during World War II. I wonder if this is authorized.

[seanmc1114]

Commander and command sergeant major of the 16th Sustainment Brigade. I really don't like the crushed hat look. 

[McDermut99]

On 4/5/2022 at 10:26 AM, seanmc1114 said:

Commanding general of the 82nd Airborne Division wearing the Ike Jacket version. Note that he is wearing his jump wings above his ribbons and his Combat Infantryman Badge on his pocket flap like airborne troops often did during World War II. I wonder if this is authorized.

 

Not sure if its authorized but as we've seen with Milley's uniform and those of a few other GOs, no one seems to dare cite AR 670-1 to anyone wearing stars. 

[seanmc1114]

47 minutes ago, McDermut99 said:

 

Not sure if its authorized but as we've seen with Milley's uniform and those of a few other GOs, no one seems to dare cite AR 670-1 to anyone wearing stars. 

It is in fact authorized as I previously posted the regulations above. I have since found a third photo of the general in his Ike jacket which shows to me the appearance from the front leaves a little to be desired. It seems to hang too low below the waist.

[patches]

Here's a good view of the Windbreaker as worn by Fort Jackson Commander Brig. Gen. Milford Beagle, Beagle there having a press conference about the regrettable School Bus high jacking by a Basic Trainee who deserted last year.

[Edelweisse]

I just see a lot a taxpayer’s money being spent on unnecessary uniform changes and the only people making out are the US Clothing manufacturers since the prices of each clothing change has cost the US military member and the taxpayer more and more.  I speak from experience since I have worked almost 50 years in the USAF, USN, US Army, and DOD logistics/supply field both as a Service Member wearing the uniform and as a US Civil Service employee.  I currently work for Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) and have been with them since 1997.  Again, I see a lot of wasted tax dollars being spent on unnecessary stuff…. A lot of people could argue the opposite so this is just my opinion…and everyone is entitled their own.

[patches]

What do you think guys, should the Army switch back to the Old Pre 1958 OD backed 4th Division Shoulder Patch for wear on the new Pinks and Greens?

 

[easterneagle87]

On 4/5/2022 at 8:26 AM, seanmc1114 said:

Commanding general of the 82nd Airborne Division wearing the Ike Jacket version. Note that he is wearing his jump wings above his ribbons and his Combat Infantryman Badge on his pocket flap like airborne troops often did during World War II. I wonder if this is authorized.

 

I saw the same thing and wondered why he went retro. Of course he's a General officer, so who is going to challenge him.  

[oakleaf777]

First time I’ve come across an in-depth treatment of the Army’s new uniforms. Not very impressed. Looks like they couldn’t decide between an attempt to knock off the Marines’ class A uniform, or go with poorly done WW2 reenactors costume. They had an opportunity to really hit it out of the park with a return to a traditional, classic military olive green and khaki uniform, but what they came up with is terrible. It wouldn’t be a bad uniform if they would ditch the USMC style belt and replace the subdued brass buttons with the traditional Army brass buttons. And the imitation WW2 30- mission crush looks ridiculous….And what is up with the mismatch shades of khaki between the shirt and the pants for the Class Bs? Looks like their uniforms got mixed up at the cleaners 

[Martinjmpr]

On 9/16/2022 at 2:51 AM, oakleaf777 said:

First time I’ve come across an in-depth treatment of the Army’s new uniforms. Not very impressed. Looks like they couldn’t decide between an attempt to knock off the Marines’ class A uniform, or go with poorly done WW2 reenactors costume. They had an opportunity to really hit it out of the park with a return to a traditional, classic military olive green and khaki uniform, but what they came up with is terrible. It wouldn’t be a bad uniform if they would ditch the USMC style belt and replace the subdued brass buttons with the traditional Army brass buttons. And the imitation WW2 30- mission crush looks ridiculous….And what is up with the mismatch shades of khaki between the shirt and the pants for the Class Bs? Looks like their uniforms got mixed up at the cleaners 

 

Sad to say, but I concur on all counts.  With Army uniforms the problem was always the same:  A nice concept but a flawed execution.  

 

Belt is unnecessary and makes soldiers who are short or overweight look terrible.  Back in the 1940's when we were coming out of the Great Depression, overweight soldiers weren't a big problem.  If anything, soldiers were smaller and skinnier back then.  Ditto for the Ike Jacket, which was always a terrible design but for soldiers who are overweight, it looks even worse, if possible, than the belted class A.  

 

And OMG, don't get me started on the stupid "50 mission crush" cap.  Really, there was ONE non-aviator in the history of the whole US Army who could get away with that, and that was Douglas MacArthur.  So if you're not Douglas MacArthur, put away the silly crush hat.  Nobody's going to believe your hat got crushed because you were wearing headphones over it as you bombed Berlin.  🙄

 

Still wondering what was so "wrong" with the Army Green uniform that was in service for nearly 50 years from 1957 until 2005 or so.  The only thing I didn't like about the Army Green uniform was the stiff garrison cap, aka C-Cap (won't say what the C stands for in polite company... :D )  Other than that, the army green uniform and its companion, the khaki summer uniform, were some of the best looking uniforms the Army ever had.  

[Justin B.]

This is good for a chuckle, from the Army's FAQs on the new uniform ( https://www.army.mil/uniforms/ ):

 

• Q: Is this new uniform historically accurate?
• A: This uniform is one of the most admired and recognizable uniforms in the Army's history. It was worn by Soldiers during World War II and the Korean War. The reintroduction of this uniform is meant to inspire trust and confidence in our Soldiers' professionalism and readiness.

So, I'll take that as a "no"...

[cavcon]

The uniforms are actually very unprofessional in my opinion.  They could have really come up with a sharp looking uniform but they either rushed or didn’t put enough research into it.     The Visor hats look so bad next to officers and em’s from other branches.   

[easterneagle87]

Change is never easy or perfect. I was out by the time they discontinued the Class A Green uniform and wasn't impressed with them going to the Dress Blue uniform for everyday use. The whole logic of getting rid of the Dress Mess never made sense. I'm older and like a little pomp and circumstance. Not many people wore those anyway, but they sure looked classy with the minis! Having had to wear the gawd awful polyester Class A Greens left over from the 70's was as dorky as possible. That puke light green dress shirt - ugh! They never fit right and it was like having to put on your cousin's suite before the prom. 

 

So now we're into the new Brown - "pinks and greens".  They will evolve. They will get better. Did you see how long it took before someone stepped up and out of the box to create an "ike".  I guess be glad you're not in the Space Force.  It was time to replace the greens and put the blues back into a formal setting. Glad the patches are back on the shoulders. Maybe someone will even start sporting bullion ones again.     

[seanmc1114]

Inspector General Major of the Army Material Command. Note that he is wearing the Combat Service Identification Badge for the 10th Mountain Division on his right pocket, an insignia that I do not believe is authorized on the new uniform. That is a holdover form the blue uniform on which SSI were not worn. And if you look closely, he is wearing a combat patch on his right sleeve, most likely also for the 10th Mountain Division.