busternfo Posted October 19, 2022 #576 Posted October 19, 2022 I've seen only one other bullion example, out of John Helvey's collection. I saved the attached posting from the Forum. Any other Sailmaker bullion examples out there anyone might like to show us? Sailmakers Mate 1st Class blue from USMForum posted 2008.docx
busternfo Posted October 19, 2022 #577 Posted October 19, 2022 Try this again with better luck with the attachment. Sailmakers Mate 1st Class blue from USMForum posted 2008.pdf
0bx Posted October 20, 2022 #578 Posted October 20, 2022 You are correct Dennie, not a CPO rate nor is it a WW2 era rate. But, it was in use just outside the WW2 era, pretty difficult to find, and unusual in that there were no CPOs in the Sailmaker rate. I just had to have it. I should mention that it is the only 1st class bullion rate I have. I need to keep it a little longer.😄 I do love the red/blue one from Helvey's collection.
busternfo Posted October 20, 2022 #579 Posted October 20, 2022 I'm not surprised at your response; that must be one of the most difficult rates to find, especially considering that there is not a CPO rate in the rating. Have you seen many of the silver bullion examples? Also, I understand that the rating is Sailmaker's Mate. Would there have been a Warrant Sailmaker and I wonder what insignia he would have worn? I know of the early mark bearing the image of a fid but that was worn by the mates, I believe. Probably a question I should post in a related forum.
sigsaye Posted October 20, 2022 #580 Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, busternfo said: I'm not surprised at your response; that must be one of the most difficult rates to find, especially considering that there is not a CPO rate in the rating. Have you seen many of the silver bullion examples? Also, I understand that the rating is Sailmaker's Mate. Would there have been a Warrant Sailmaker and I wonder what insignia he would have worn? I know of the early mark bearing the image of a fid but that was worn by the mates, I believe. Probably a question I should post in a related forum. There was a Warrant Sailmaker, that was one of the original Warrants when the USN was established. I believe they wore an “S” on their shoulder straps into about 1866, then (IIRC) a Diamond as a mark. Not sure when they went away.
busternfo Posted October 20, 2022 #581 Posted October 20, 2022 Hi Steve, Thanks for the info. on Warrant Sailmaker. Please tell me what IIRC stands for. Dennie
sigsaye Posted October 21, 2022 #582 Posted October 21, 2022 3 hours ago, busternfo said: Hi Steve, Thanks for the info. on Warrant Sailmaker. Please tell me what IIRC stands for. Dennie “If I Recall Correctly “
0bx Posted October 21, 2022 #583 Posted October 21, 2022 On 10/20/2022 at 12:42 PM, busternfo said: I'm not surprised at your response; that must be one of the most difficult rates to find, especially considering that there is not a CPO rate in the rating. Have you seen many of the silver bullion examples? Also, I understand that the rating is Sailmaker's Mate. Would there have been a Warrant Sailmaker and I wonder what insignia he would have worn? I know of the early mark bearing the image of a fid but that was worn by the mates, I believe. Probably a question I should post in a related forum. My mistake. I forgot to add Mate to Sailmaker.
0bx Posted November 16, 2022 #584 Posted November 16, 2022 Bullion Chief Petty Officer Airship Rigger. Still looking for a khaki one
PatLaabs Posted November 16, 2022 #585 Posted November 16, 2022 Showed this one off on the ASMIC FB page. Description says it's a martini glass but I like to think of it as the "Holy Grail" of Navy rates 😅
Bruce Linz Posted June 23, 2023 #586 Posted June 23, 2023 Here is an Underwater Mechanic that I thought everyone might enjoy seeing.
0bx Posted June 24, 2023 #587 Posted June 24, 2023 Beautiful rate Bruce. I have one like it as well as a bullion khaki CPO. This rate had an effective date of 02 April 1948 and was replaced on 09 June 1948(69 days) with Exclusive Emergency Service Rating ESM(Underwater Mechanic)(see Specialist M) per John Stacy. Difficult rate to find.
PatLaabs Posted September 7, 2023 #588 Posted September 7, 2023 Got this the other day and I'm a bit perplexed. It's a Chief Pharmacist's Mate in bullion but on khaki. I know that in 1948/49 khaki rates were supposed to be in bullion and Pharmacist's Mate became Hospital Corpsman in 1948. I've seen a small handful of WWII khaki rates in Bullion but not nearly as many as I have with Post-war rates. Obviously anything is possible and sailors were getting all sorts of stuff made for uniforms so it's possible it's legitimate. The price wasn't horrible so if it is fake it is what it is.
sigsaye Posted September 7, 2023 #589 Posted September 7, 2023 1 hour ago, PatLaabs said: Got this the other day and I'm a bit perplexed. It's a Chief Pharmacist's Mate in bullion but on khaki. I know that in 1948/49 khaki rates were supposed to be in bullion and Pharmacist's Mate became Hospital Corpsman in 1948. I've seen a small handful of WWII khaki rates in Bullion but not nearly as many as I have with Post-war rates. Obviously anything is possible and sailors were getting all sorts of stuff made for uniforms so it's possible it's legitimate. The price wasn't horrible so if it is fake it is what it is. First, this is a beautiful rate. It doesn’t look like it’s ever been on a uniform. A bullion Pharmacist Mate wouldn’t be out of the question. It looks legit to me. A second question, what would be a “Reproduction”. We got locally made stuff in off base shops all the time, not produced or provided by the Navy. And we wore it. So, if it is used, why would it be a repop?
PatLaabs Posted September 7, 2023 #590 Posted September 7, 2023 1 hour ago, sigsaye said: First, this is a beautiful rate. It doesn’t look like it’s ever been on a uniform. A bullion Pharmacist Mate wouldn’t be out of the question. It looks legit to me. A second question, what would be a “Reproduction”. We got locally made stuff in off base shops all the time, not produced or provided by the Navy. And we wore it. So, if it is used, why would it be a repop? Thank you! I had a similar way of thinking, it's just that 9 times out of 10 when you see a bullion khaki rate it's post-war and then there's also the few from way back in this thread that make absolutely no sense like the Aviation Quartermaster in bullion on khaki (although that was a known reproduction). I feel like it probably was one of those one-of-a-kind pieces from a shop outside the base. Sometimes things just seem too good to be true hahaha. I appreciate your assessment. Things like this just make me curious/worried.
sigsaye Posted September 8, 2023 #591 Posted September 8, 2023 16 hours ago, PatLaabs said: Thank you! I had a similar way of thinking, it's just that 9 times out of 10 when you see a bullion khaki rate it's post-war and then there's also the few from way back in this thread that make absolutely no sense like the Aviation Quartermaster in bullion on khaki (although that was a known reproduction). I feel like it probably was one of those one-of-a-kind pieces from a shop outside the base. Sometimes things just seem too good to be true hahaha. I appreciate your assessment. Things like this just make me curious/worried. This one looks like it’s never been used so, it could have BEEN, produced between 1945 and 1948. Then, sat in the exchange/shop and ended up in a back room somewhere until whoever had it realized there was a collector market. It looks good.
sigsaye Posted September 8, 2023 #592 Posted September 8, 2023 7 hours ago, sigsaye said: This one looks like it’s never been used so, it could have BEEN, produced between 1945 and 1948. Then, sat in the exchange/shop and ended up in a back room somewhere until whoever had it realized there was a collector market. It looks good. I think, also, those rating badges, contracted by the Navy, ( for the non blues uniforms), had blue eagles and marks. Those rating badges with bullion eagles and marks, were commercially made, for private purchase sale in shops.
digi-shots Posted August 20, 2024 #593 Posted August 20, 2024 Here’s my addition… used to belong to a neighbor or mine.
sigsaye Posted August 21, 2024 #594 Posted August 21, 2024 16 hours ago, digi-shots said: Here’s my addition… used to belong to a neighbor or mine. Beautiful!
digi-shots Posted August 21, 2024 #595 Posted August 21, 2024 Thanks, Sigsaye. Is this a fairly common rating? I had to look it up and wasn’t easy to find.
sigsaye Posted August 22, 2024 #596 Posted August 22, 2024 11 hours ago, digi-shots said: Thanks, Sigsaye. Is this a fairly common rating? I had to look it up and wasn’t easy to find. Not really common, there were not many, and it was strictly shore duty. They operated and maintained training devices, training aids, simulators and such. They were mostly replaced by civilian contractors.
0bx Posted August 22, 2024 #597 Posted August 22, 2024 Beautiful rate digi-shots. Expanding on sigsaye's comment, the Tradevman(Training Devices Man) rate was established as a combination of Specialist G (Aviation Free Gunnery Instructor) and Specialist T (Link Trainer Instructor) per John Stacey's book (United States Navy Rating Badges and Marks 1833 to 2008).
sigsaye Posted August 22, 2024 #598 Posted August 22, 2024 6 hours ago, 0bx said: Beautiful rate digi-shots. Expanding on sigsaye's comment, the Tradevman(Training Devices Man) rate was established as a combination of Specialist G (Aviation Free Gunnery Instructor) and Specialist T (Link Trainer Instructor) per John Stacey's book (United States Navy Rating Badges and Marks 1833 to 2008). I’m in Kentucky this week, my books are in Florida. When was it disestablished? My Recruit Company Commander was a TD1. He thought that being an RCC would push him over the top for Chief. He bragged about having never been on a ship. Our sister company RCC was a BM1. I had little/ no respect for my RCC.
Salvage Sailor Posted August 22, 2024 #599 Posted August 22, 2024 On 8/22/2024 at 12:24 PM, sigsaye said: I’m in Kentucky this week, my books are in Florida. When was it disestablished? My Recruit Company Commander was a TD1. He thought that being an RCC would push him over the top for Chief. He bragged about having never been on a ship. Our sister company RCC was a BM1. I had little/ no respect for my RCC. At RTC Orlando during my service week I was assigned to a 2 person office on base side. When I got there the PN1 told me the LT was on leave and that he had just received his orders to report aboard an Oiler. The PN1 had been in the Navy for 12 years and says, "I've never seen a ship before or even a pier." He then tells me, "there's a stack of playboys in my bottom drawer & the EM club serves beer at lunch, just don't speak to anyone when you're there" (because I was still a recruit). "Lock the door behind me and if anyone knocks, don't answer the door or the phone" He gives me a transient barracks pass, a meal voucher and signed my service chit, dated 5 days later. On his way out, he hangs a 'Closed' sign on the door, and I never saw him again... When I returned to my barracks, the Company Commander, also a Senior Chief Personnelman, winks at me and says, "how was the beer?"
digi-shots Posted August 22, 2024 #600 Posted August 22, 2024 He served from 1950 to 1970.. either retired in Orlando or Norfolk.
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