What is the age of this 30-06 ammo box ?

[kfields]

I found this in the barn. Can one tell from the markings when it was marked/packed/shipped?

Thanks!

Kim

 

[Rifleman]

It has the DOD stamp, so I would say post WWII.

[aznation]

Bandoleers (1948-1958)
Note: The ammunition now only came in 8-round en-bloc clips because the M1 Garand was the standard service rifle.

TAEAB = 384 cartridges .30-06 AP M2, 8-round en-bloc clips in bandoleers (6 clips / 48 rounds), 4 bandoleers per metal M20 ammo can (192 rounds), 2 x M20 ammo cans per M22 wooden crate. Gross Weight: 39.2 lbs. Volume: 0.76 cubic feet. TAEGA = 384 cartridges .30-06 Ball M2, 8-round en-bloc clips in bandoleers (6 clips / 48 rounds), 4 bandoleers per metal M20 ammo can (192 rounds), 2 x M20 ammo cans per M22 wooden crate. Gross Weight: 38 lbs. Volume: 0.76 cubic feet. TAE## = 768 cartridges .30-06 Ball M2, 8-round en-bloc clips in bandoleers (6 clips / 48 rounds), 4 bandoleers per metal M20 ammo can (192 rounds), 4 x M20 ammo cans per wooden crate. Gross Weight:71 lbs. Volume: 1.4 cubic feet. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Army_munitions_by_supply_catalog_designation#.30_Caliber

[kfields]

Thanks fellas!

[Charlie Flick]

The TW marking indicates that the ammunition was manufactured at the Twin Cities Arsenal in Minnesota.

 

Regards,

Charlie

[kfields]

Thanks Charlie.

[silverplate]

Twin Cities stopped production of A.P. rounds in 1945 with lot #40064. Production resumed at the plant in 1951, ending again in 1957. The lot number on your box, coupled with the DOD stamp, dates your box to the early 50s, most likely for Korea. Great example!

[kfields]

Thanks Silverplate!

I emptied out the odd handfuls of nails that it contained and took it home with me. I probably saved it from deteriorating further or possibly being burned up in a barn cleanup by my siblings.

Kim

[armysoldierant1944]

Twin Cities stopped production of A.P. rounds in 1945 with lot #40064. Production resumed at the plant in 1951, ending again in 1957. The lot number on your box, coupled with the DOD stamp, dates your box to the early 50s, most likely for Korea. Great example!

Hi,

 

Is there a database that lists the year of production by lot number?

 

 

Richard

[917601]

TW 19700 lot number manufactured 2/1952 , non corrosive. 40,000 lot post Korea I would think. I posted the non corrosive lot numbers awhile back.

[917601]

Bandoleers (1948-1958)

Note: The ammunition now only came in 8-round en-bloc clips because the M1 Garand was the standard service rifle. TAEAB = 384 cartridges .30-06 AP M2, 8-round en-bloc clips in bandoleers (6 clips / 48 rounds), 4 bandoleers per metal M20 ammo can (192 rounds), 2 x M20 ammo cans per M22 wooden crate. Gross Weight: 39.2 lbs. Volume: 0.76 cubic feet. TAEGA = 384 cartridges .30-06 Ball M2, 8-round en-bloc clips in bandoleers (6 clips / 48 rounds), 4 bandoleers per metal M20 ammo can (192 rounds), 2 x M20 ammo cans per M22 wooden crate. Gross Weight: 38 lbs. Volume: 0.76 cubic feet. TAE## = 768 cartridges .30-06 Ball M2, 8-round en-bloc clips in bandoleers (6 clips / 48 rounds), 4 bandoleers per metal M20 ammo can (192 rounds), 4 x M20 ammo cans per wooden crate. Gross Weight:71 lbs. Volume: 1.4 cubic feet. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Army_munitions_by_supply_catalog_designation#.30_Caliber

I do not believe that to be correct. 5 rd strippers were around for the BAR. I will have to check in depth later.

[armysoldierant1944]

Folks,

 

Here is my crate. It is marked TAEAB and does not have the DOD mark. If according to silverplate that TW stopped doing AP rounds at lot TW #40064, mine would be 1945 since it has a lower lot number TW 40043? This crate came with the spam cans and bandoolers marked TW 40043 as well

 

[armysoldierant1944]

Here are the bandos that came with the set

[917601]

A handy chart from the CMP forum about lot numbers and non corrosive primers. It can be used to narrow down lot numbers.

[917601]

Both crates appear to be post 2-52, probably late or post Korea. I have a few linked TW AP MG linked ( 4-1) in original ammo cans and from recollection the ammo is headstamped 1954. I will pull them out for a look see. I do know the DOD Eagle mark is from the 50's.

[917601]

Twin Cities stopped production of A.P. rounds in 1945 with lot #40064. Production resumed at the plant in 1951, ending again in 1957. The lot number on your box, coupled with the DOD stamp, dates your box to the early 50s, most likely for Korea. Great example!

I would like to see your documentation. The CMP has pages and pages on lot numbers, productions, lot numbers, etc unfortunately none gathered into easily found posts. I was under the impression TW's last AP production of .30 cal AP was 1954. After that date, only NATO countries produced AP till around 1957,58. This untouched TW can full , bought from the CMP many years ago verifies my thoughts and agrees with the non corrosive chart I posted. Both M25 tracer and AP lot numbers are 50's manufacture.

[917601]

To further validate my information, I had an UNOPENED M2 Ball wood crate with two 240 spam cans I sold off a few years back for crazy money. The crate was as yours pictured but with out the DOD eagle inked on. I opened one spam can and kept two of the full bandoleers for my collectible ammo stash. File pic is to large to load. I just pulled the two bandoleers out to put this issue at rest and posted. See pics. Note what was in the spam cans. 1) The bandoleers are WW2 issue ( size/ shape of strap), 2) Note the color 3) The Enblocs are WW2 issue 4) The TW lot number , 19380, in the bandoleers have "TW 1951" headstamped ammo.Further validation of the lot chart.

[917601]

For future reference, what a typical WW2 issue looks like. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/320814-ww2-m2-ammo-packaged-in-original-crate/ Took me awhile to find it. I knew the seller but missed out on the deal.

[ccyooper]

Im on lockdown so it doesnt help, not sure if I have any amm pubs that late To look up the lot numbers. But to answer one question in the thread they were still boxing ammo in the 50s. I have a few 520 round spam cans of LC and SL M2 boxed from the early 50s. The CMP was selling them. Ive also seen silver spam cans of WRA or WCC in smaller containers that were boxed.