drbill Posted September 9, 2017 Share #551 Posted September 9, 2017 Just received today USMC WWI tunic 2/5 with egas. Want to make sure they are right? opinions please- only have 3 day inspection period! Help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted September 9, 2017 Share #552 Posted September 9, 2017 Unfortunately those are fake. They are discussed a bit in this topic, starting in post #145 http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5101-fantasy-repro-or-counterfeit-egas/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warguy Posted September 9, 2017 Share #553 Posted September 9, 2017 Refer to Briuer's disc B284 page 120, he classifies them as a reproduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbill Posted September 10, 2017 Share #554 Posted September 10, 2017 You guys are right on target. Sent pics to Dr Fred Briuer and he confirmed plate 284 p 120. We heard from the proverbial "horse's mouth". Not that I doubted you folks , just wanted to be sure before I return or get a price adjustment. thanks, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmcaviator Posted September 11, 2017 Share #555 Posted September 11, 2017 I am a little hesitant to classify these as "fake". This is what I know. They do exist in excess quantity, and are always seen in mint condition, however their manufacture is spot on. They are clean strikes with great detail. They conform to WW1 disc manufacture (except lack the square base to post, which not all original discs have) and colorization. The backs usually show decent looking age. I think these can be found with numbers and letters attached. I think there could be a case that these were made by a US manufacturer in early to late 1919, anticipating the return of Marines from France and that the Corps would retain the discs; anticipating demand essentially. As we know, discs were abolished upon the Marines' return. It stems to make sense that some amount of "supply" existed that was otherwise unused/unsold. I surmise that these could possibly be unused stock that have had stuff added to them over the years. It is conjecture, but so is just saying that these are "fake". If it is unused stock, they should not be on a 5th Marines uniform and would serve a their own special place in an EGA collection. I personally have these in "not sure" bin. I also have this same version in gold (for dress uniform), which I also think lends credence to them being anticipated for a longer period of time. We do have photographic proof that gold discs were made for and were worn by Marines upon their return up until about 1920. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Carman Posted September 24, 2017 Share #556 Posted September 24, 2017 This is a very nicely made EGA; unfortunately there are no markings on it. I am hoping the EGA collector community of the Forum can shed some light on maker and time period. If you have an idea on value please send me a PM regarding that. Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stucky151 Posted September 24, 2017 Share #557 Posted September 24, 2017 Looks like a fantasy piece to me. The overlay of the continents is usually a good give away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stucky151 Posted September 24, 2017 Share #558 Posted September 24, 2017 http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5101-fantasy-repro-or-counterfeit-egas/page-5 You can see the same globe and anchor with a droop wing bird instead of a Meyers type bird. Same seller/maker IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warguy Posted September 24, 2017 Share #559 Posted September 24, 2017 Yep looks like a cast piece to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dozer521 Posted September 24, 2017 Share #560 Posted September 24, 2017 The first thing that strikes me is the rounded corners of the Flukes. Than the draping of the rope. I too believe this is a Frankenemblem: a mismatch of items to look like an EGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Carman Posted September 24, 2017 Share #561 Posted September 24, 2017 WoW!! So this is a bogus EGA. Truth be told, it is not mine, trying to find out info for a couple of buddies that were trying to do a deal. I have forwarded the links of this thread and the 'Fantasy, Repos, and Fakes' so they can work it out between themselves now. Honestly, I would not buy and EGA unless it came from one of you folks here on the Forum, that way I know it passed the righteous test first. Thanks guys, enjoy the remainder of your Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted September 25, 2017 Share #562 Posted September 25, 2017 Spend your monies on something that does not arouse so many concerns, there are simply too many details of this emblem that do not look right. The first is the use of the Navy anchor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine6072 Posted October 28, 2017 Share #563 Posted October 28, 2017 A Friend of Mine picked up a Tunic for Me(I was out of town) from a Local Collector We both know. I have been doing some research and have some doubt that the tunic is original USMC. Any guidance is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine6072 Posted October 28, 2017 Share #564 Posted October 28, 2017 additional pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine6072 Posted October 28, 2017 Share #565 Posted October 28, 2017 additional pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine6072 Posted October 28, 2017 Share #566 Posted October 28, 2017 This is the patch on the tunic sleeve that the discs were on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted October 28, 2017 Share #567 Posted October 28, 2017 Might be the flash, but I believe these are a well-known soft detailed fake of a known pattern, made in both screwback and pinback. Discussed here... http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5101-fantasy-repro-or-counterfeit-egas/page-6 http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/81551-ww1-usmc-collar-disk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine6072 Posted October 28, 2017 Share #568 Posted October 28, 2017 Brig took closeup without flash Thank You for Your input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warguy Posted October 28, 2017 Share #569 Posted October 28, 2017 They are trying to replicate the type II army navy version. These would not be for my collection. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted October 28, 2017 Share #570 Posted October 28, 2017 Ditto...fakes. Doesn't mean the rest of the uniform is, however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine6072 Posted October 28, 2017 Share #571 Posted October 28, 2017 I appreciate the willingness to share Y'alls knowledge with Me. What is Y'alls opinion on the patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted October 29, 2017 Share #572 Posted October 29, 2017 Can't speak on the patch, not a patch guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnicklfritz Posted November 18, 2017 Share #573 Posted November 18, 2017 I am a little hesitant to classify these as "fake". This is what I know. They do exist in excess quantity, and are always seen in mint condition, however their manufacture is spot on. They are clean strikes with great detail. They conform to WW1 disc manufacture (except lack the square base to post, which not all original discs have) and colorization. The backs usually show decent looking age. I think these can be found with numbers and letters attached. I think there could be a case that these were made by a US manufacturer in early to late 1919, anticipating the return of Marines from France and that the Corps would retain the discs; anticipating demand essentially. As we know, discs were abolished upon the Marines' return. It stems to make sense that some amount of "supply" existed that was otherwise unused/unsold. I surmise that these could possibly be unused stock that have had stuff added to them over the years. It is conjecture, but so is just saying that these are "fake". If it is unused stock, they should not be on a 5th Marines uniform and would serve a their own special place in an EGA collection. I personally have these in "not sure" bin. I also have this same version in gold (for dress uniform), which I also think lends credence to them being anticipated for a longer period of time. We do have photographic proof that gold discs were made for and were worn by Marines upon their return up until about 1920. Mike Although I am far from an expert, I would agree with you Mike. The ones I have seen are made far better than any reproduction that I have seen. Always thought it was odd. I would think that with all them out there, the person or company making these would have been revealed by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Quarter Posted April 19, 2018 Share #574 Posted April 19, 2018 Is this insignia authentic? Here is the link to the sale. http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/352108169469?vectorid=229466&item=352108169469&rmvSB=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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