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My dad gave me a navy belt buckle made in the Philippines engraved with his name and town. I would like to give it to my son for a graduation present but it is missing the clip on the back and the belt material. See attached photos. 

Was the original belt material web or leather? I seem to remember leather but am not sure.

And 2 if there anyone who can help me get a clip made on the back of the buckle?

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vforvictory1945

@hank.kraus - Great buckle you have there.  The problem I see as far as getting a back piece made is two-fold, firstly most of these 1940's buckles have crude hand-made swivel backs and the buckle heights are non-standard and these appear to be almost whittled out of a piece of base metal.  Secondly, even if you do make a back for the buckle it won't be original to the buckle so that's something to think about.  If it were me I would just display the buckle and enjoy it that way.  But should you wish to make a back or have one made I've attached some pictures of some random 1940's backs from my collection that may help you in your restoration project.

 

 

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easterneagle87

Another oval posted on ebay, seller knows it's Phili made, but lists it as 1945. I sent a note with a little info. Got a thanks and an offer of 20% off. Pretty, but not my cup of tea. 

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Merry Christmas and wanted to share the size comparison between the large early 50's Seabees PI buckle at left, measuring 2-3/16" high x 3-1/8" wide, verses the small (normal sized) Seabees buckle of similar era at right, measuring 1-7/16" high x 2-17/32" wide.  Both of these are the slider variety and its possible they could have been done by the same engraver?

 

I haven't seen too many of the larger sized buckles myself so I thought it was interesting enough to do a post.  The forum member who owns the Cubi Point Seabees buckle (posted a year or so ago) likely has the same or very similar sized buckle to the one at left.

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easterneagle87

A couple of offer and sold buckles from ebay

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Here's a couple cool PI buckles from a Japanese seller.  I'm gunning for the top one but believe I missed the boat as it says HOLD on the site.  I've never seen an early one with an oil derrick before.  Anyone interested in the second of the two the price is 6000 Yen or $58.26 plus shipping according to the current exchange rates.  I believe its 1960's vintage and you get the belt too.  I've ordered from Searchlight before, it was an ID bracelet though, and believe shipping to the states was around $20.00 and I'm assuming it would be about the same if you ditched the belt and just took the buckle.

 

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vforvictory1945

As an update I heard from Japan this morning that the E.L. Slankard buckle already sold, so that's the first miss of 2021.  Anyhow the 1960's buckle as shown above is still available and you can email them directly with any questions.

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easterneagle87

With previous Harley Davidson buckles posted, here is one for Triumph currently listed on ebay for a mere starting bid of $60. OR for the adventurous ... Buy It Now for $78

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easterneagle87

Missed this one and took an initial run at it but someone REALLY wanted this one bad. Looks Coastie , tell me if I'm mistaken. Two stars? From a little search, The Navy Master Chief rank was officially established in 1958. Could it be associated with that rank, OR a true stretch Rear Admiral? Or just a fancy design. We may never know. Nice buckle overall.   

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Latest offering on ebay for a mere $75, Aviation Boatswain Mate

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32 minutes ago, easterneagle87 said:

Missed this one and took an initial run at it but someone REALLY wanted this one bad. Looks Coastie , tell me if I'm mistaken. Two stars? From a little search, The Navy Master Chief rank was officially established in 1958. Could it be associated with that rank, OR a true stretch Rear Admiral? Or just a fancy design. We may never know. Nice buckle overall.   

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That is the insignia for a USCG Officer so I would think that is a USCG Rear Admiral belt buckle. A very nice buckle. 

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On 12/25/2020 at 6:53 PM, vforvictory1945 said:

Merry Christmas and wanted to share the size comparison between the large early 50's Seabees PI buckle at left, measuring 2-3/16" high x 3-1/8" wide, verses the small (normal sized) Seabees buckle of similar era at right, measuring 1-7/16" high x 2-17/32" wide.  Both of these are the slider variety and its possible they could have been done by the same engraver?

 

I haven't seen too many of the larger sized buckles myself so I thought it was interesting enough to do a post.  The forum member who owns the Cubi Point Seabees buckle (posted a year or so ago) likely has the same or very similar sized buckle to the one at left.

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Yes, my Cubi Point buckle looks to be the same as your large one.  I believe the first Seabees arrived to build Cubi in 1951.

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Here is a photo of the uniform of Donel "Doc" Kinnard MCPO, (1954-1974) Hospital Corpsman with a Philippines made SEAL belt buckle that I just saw on Together We Served for UDT-12.

https://navy.togetherweserved.com/usn/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=ShadowBoxProfile&type=Person&ID=461935

 

In regards to the coast guard buckle above, I suspect it was for a Coast Guard Master Chief.  By using the USCG officer eagle rather than a petty officer crow, the buckle makes it clear that the wearer is USCG rather than USN.  I don't know the numbers but I suspect there are a lot more Master Chiefs than two-star Admirals.   Either way, it's a great buckle!  Looks like a 1960s Vietnam period buckle.  Given what other Vietnam period USCG buckles sometimes sell for, I think the realized price was fair and even maybe a good deal.

 

@Ryan - Thank you for posting the 1945 oil rig and the boiler technician buckles.   It's amazing how you find buckle!  It's too bad someone else bought the 1945 buckle before you saw it.  

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“In regards to the coast guard buckle above, I suspect it was for a Coast Guard Master Chief.  By using the USCG officer eagle rather than a petty officer crow, the buckle makes it clear that the wearer is USCG rather than USN.  I don't know the numbers but I suspect there are a lot more Master Chiefs than two-star Admirals.”   

 

 

That is not a USCG Master Chief’s belt buckle. It is an Officer’s belt buckle and most likely a USCG Rear Admiral. 
 

No Master Chief I ever met would ever wear that buckle. 
 

Here is the Master Chief insignia. 
 

Below that is the USCG Officer’s belt buckle. 
 

 

 

 

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Chris -- You're probably right since it's what the engraved buckle literally means.  That said, there are humorous buckles out there and it could have been a joke (i.e. a Master Chief who thought/acted like he was an Admiral 🤣)  Bottom line, Occam's razor would say it was for a USCG Rear Admiral.

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easterneagle87

Two recent ebay sales, nice modern buckles that appear to be to the same Naval Officer, Robert H. Beggs 

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I was fortunate to get both of the Beggs belt buckles.
 

Ensign Robert H. Beggs was designated a Naval Aviator in April of 1946. Somehow he ended up retiring from the Navy in 1975 as a SeaBee LCDR. You notice the Aviator buckle is listed as USNR and the CEC buckle is listed as USN. I would really like to learn the rest of his history. Really nice looking buckles, I believe these are from the 1960s. 
 

Chris

 

 

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vforvictory1945

Very cool Chris and nice set!!!  Thanks for sharing!

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Not the most interesting of PI buckles but the grouping and history on this lot is pretty cool.  Currently on Ebay.

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Watching them come and go, but I snagged this one off of ebay. Pretty good one, US Coast Guard, Hawaii. Makers stamp on the back.

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easterneagle87

Military picker buddy found this and graciously paid him for it. I picked it up today at the Sacramento Antique Street Fair. Mare Island, very nice buckle.

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